Basic Commands for a Basic Newbie

[Irinami]

Being a newbie at Shogun: Warlord Edition (I picked it up 2 weeks ago for the price of 3 coffees), I've seen some things discussed here that have baffled me. I figured out how to combine 2 damaged units into 1 already, that was very helpful. However, 2 things elude me.

1.) Tax Rates. I've clicked everywhere on the koku info parchment, with all 3 mouse buttons, and nothing happens. What am I missing here?

2.) Retraining. How is this done? I tried dragging a unit counter from the strategy map onto the training button, tried dragging the unit's box onto the training button, tried dragging him into the castle both ways... nothing. I'd love to change or reinforce some of my units that are occupying 150% loyalty provinces without a compatible and depleted like unit to merge with.

Thanks in advance. My apologies if I missed it, I checked the first and last 20 pages of threads trying to find it before asking... and yeah, I've read the manual a few times, not that it's particularly helpful.

[LittleGrizzly]

you read 20 pages of posts before asking ?! crazy! in a regular forum members dream kind of way, anyway enough rambling from grizzy and onto the questions

1) Grizzly himself didn't discover this for many years, he did so by accident, where it says your koku amount, e.g 1000 koku, click on it and you shall see tax rates!

2) First click on your training button (as if you were going to build a new unit) and then drag the depleted unit and place him in one of the training slots.

sorry i cannot be more easily understandable, the words don't come out on paper as clearly as they are in my head.

[Irinami]

you read 20 pages of posts before asking ?! crazy! in a regular forum members dream kind of way, anyway enough rambling from grizzy and onto the questions

I just know how annoying it can be to answer the same question in a bazillion different threads, over and over and over. :D

1) Grizzly himself didn't discover this for many years, he did so by accident, where it says your koku amount, e.g 1000 koku, click on it and you shall see tax rates!

WAUGH!!!!! Right where it should be!!

2) First click on your training button (as if you were going to build a new unit) and then drag the depleted unit and place him in one of the training slots.

sorry i cannot be more easily understandable, the words don't come out on paper as clearly as they are in my head.

I know whatcha' mean. I don't seem to be able to grab the little "wooden" counter on the Strategy map when I open up the Training button, and even when he's selected beforehand, he becomes de-selected (unit details disappear from that control panel at the bottom where the training button is housed) when I hit the Training button. I may try a reinstall anyway... I'm getting embarassed every time I open up my first few saves on accident. ;)

Thanks for the help Grizzly!

[ichi]

I just recently posted this reply to Tashman:

You can retrain a unit by sending it to a province that has the necessary buildings to produce that type. On the next turn, open the unit training queue screen, then click on the unit on the map to select it and then grab the unit icon in the tray at the bottom of the screen and drop it in the training queue.

This will replenish the unit to full strength and provide any weapons or armor or honor upgrades that the province provides.

I routinely merge depleted units. I try to merge units of similar quality, but you can get 'free' upgrades by dropping an unarmored depleted unit onto an armored one - the combined unit will get the armor upgrade. If you drop an armored unit onto an unarmored unit you will lose the upgrade.

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Don't drag the unit from the map, drag the unit rom the icon tray at the bottom


ichi

[Irinami]

I know this is the penultimate newbie response, but...

"That's what I'm doing."

Let's say I've got a Yari Ashigaru unit in a province with a castle and spear dojo. He's been there for several turns, being the garisson after conquering. 10 men left. I open the Training dialogue, works fine. But I can't select anything on the map in order to get their little square boxes on the bottom (the ones you drag to merge). I can click on a unit all day, click on every part of him, but it won't select as long as the Training dialogue is open. Likewise, if I select him first, opening the Training dialogue de-selects him. I've tried this with a vanilla S:WE install and with v.1.12.

Maybe it's something they "fixed" in the S:WE pack (as opposed to an original S:TW which was upgraded to WE later?)?

Will do screenshots tomorrow if that's not the case.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, 1.12 is the patch for old shogun while 1.02 is the patch for WE. That could be a problem.

Other than that, don't know what your doing wrong...reinstall perhaps.

[Irinami]

Ah-hah! There was a distinct lack of any note of that in the readmes or the main site. My programming instructors would have had their heads on a stick!

I also may have been had. Everything in my box is S:WE... but the discs themselves aren't labelled as such. If so, I'll just have to keep my eye out next time I hit the malls.

I really appreciate the many replies and all the help. Thank you guys very much.

[LittleGrizzly]

ahh you been had, gutter. np with the help, iot helps me add to my giant post count whilst being useful!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ah-hah! There was a distinct lack of any note of that in the readmes or the main site. My programming instructors would have had their heads on a stick!

I also may have been had. Everything in my box is S:WE... but the discs themselves aren't labelled as such. If so, I'll just have to keep my eye out next time I hit the malls.

I really appreciate the many replies and all the help. Thank you guys very much.

Is the opening clip a guy with sword with the sun behind him? That would be old shogun...otherwise if it's the Ran clip it's WE. It should say so in the game somewhere.

[Irinami]

Yup, I've been had. Tried a reinstall and then the 1.02 patch... no diff. Reinstall and the 1.12 patch, good diffs. :) Can't complain--all I've got to do is go without my extra pickmeup coffee 3 days this week. If I make it every day, then I can go hunting for MI. :)

[Wilbo]

Well, it only costs £5 for Warlord Edition (Shogun w/ Mongol Invasion) so you may as well get that instead of trying to get Mongol Invasion on its own... At least if you get WE you can use your original Shogun as a back up copy

[ichi]

Don't hesitate ot spend your cash on MTW VI and then install the STW mod. Minor issues but very very nice. I've removed WE now from my comp for the first time in years 'cause the Shoggie Mod for MTW is all I need now.

ichi

[Irinami]

Don't hesitate ot spend your cash on MTW VI and then install the STW mod. Minor issues but very very nice.

That's a lot of coffees!! ;) But I'll see... after all, if some FPS-Shooter got bored with it after Christmas and sold it back... hmmm... :D

[Wilbo]

Is the VI Samurai mod just like Shogun, or more general Samurai stuff? I'd be very interested to know!

[ichi]

The VI Samurai mod has a multiplayer that is very similar (almost identical?) to STW.

The campaign portion is beautiful and uses the Shogun map but has sea regions and boats (uses the MTW VI engine so . . .). The campaign has princesses and Acumen, Zeal, other VI concepts, and there are more factions than the original STW.

But otherwise it IS Shogun.

Plus many of the heroes in the game are based on people (or their characters) here at the Org. In a recent campaign I had a General 'Shimazu Ichi' and that was very cool.

ichi