Phalanx rank depth and horse acrobatics

**The Stranger** · 02-17-2005, 18:27

were you using regular hoplites without any mods. if right i know the mistake.
regular hoplites are not that reliable. their morale is four. when a general charges in their morale drops but your general was present too so that didn't matter. because they charged your unit started to waver and taking losses and eventually started to rout. it's not the three deep formation but the unit that cracked and the formation you used are only for good troops that can hold crucial places in the battle line.

and in bridge battles

**Proletariat** · 02-17-2005, 18:34

Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1

it's not the three deep formation but the unit that cracked and the formation you used are only for good troops that can hold crucial places in the battle line.

and in bridge battles

Eh, I figured if defending a small bottle neck worked with bridges I'd give it a shot at a gate. Oh well.

And they were the regular hoplites you get in the beginning of the game. (Not the militia guys, next unit up on the tree. I forget the name being so unfamiliar with this faction's units.)

So maybe the answer is much simpler than I thought. Don't use worthless units at the gate and beef up the ranks.

**The Stranger** · 02-17-2005, 18:39

Their name is HOPLITES

**Bob the Insane** · 02-17-2005, 20:55

General units always have a funny effect on phalanx because of their 2 hit points i believe... This means that all of the men (and horses) in the unit will survive the initial and practically suicidal charge in to the HOPLITES (thank you Emperor Umeu 1

)... This gives them the opportunity to push into the formation, disrupting it and fighting on...

**The Stranger** · 02-17-2005, 21:55

yes that's it. but i modded it and didn't give the general unit extra hitpoints but extra morale, wich is way better.

**Puzz3D** · 02-17-2005, 23:15

The primary/secondary weapon fix has made the phalanx weaker to cav because their secondary weapon is weaker, and the cav forces the pikemen to switch to the secondary weapon by jumping onto the front row of pikes and into the phalanx.

**Sid_Quibley** · 02-18-2005, 12:48

There is an in depth disscussion on spears here.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...t=39916&page=1

And also details of a file that remove the horse jump anim.

A new version of cav fix(compatible with 1.2 patch) is linked by Simetrical on page four.