Becoming a Protectorate

**The Stranger** · 02-18-2005, 17:49

well i have seleucia, germany and greece as my protectorates. (as Julii) having conquered only 11, i'm on 67 regions.

**Slaists** · 02-18-2005, 18:24

I had Julii agree to become my protectorate while I was playing the Greeks. Before the protectorate kicked in, I was at war with both: Julii and Macedon, while those factions were in a mutual alliance.

The protectorate effectively broke off my seige of Belasora (a Macedonian town). Fine... The next turn, I sent my army back to Belasora and the next thing I knew: Julii canceled our "alliance"... ??? Weren't they my protectorate, my ever obedient servants??? My enemies should be their enemies... They should have no other foreign policies than mine...

oh, well, my spartan hoplites weren't too far from Arretium anyways...

**The Stranger** · 02-18-2005, 18:45

yes that's weird that's also the same thing when you're outlawed by the senate.
i was brutii's protectorate and i attacked the senate and they canceled my alliance and choose side with the senate.

only one thing is good, your protectorates can't attack you (this is when you're in charge)

**Slaists** · 02-18-2005, 20:30

Who said, getting a faction to agree to become a protectorate is difficult? I suspect, the difficulty is tied to the personality trait assigned to each faction at the beginning of the campaign. I got Pontus to agree to become a protectorate after I had taken one province from them: I just turned the province back to them and threw in 10K to sweeten the deal... To my surprise, I discovered that Pontus had actually annihilated Armenia and Parthia and conquered several Seleucid provinces at that point... My province count went up from about 30 to 45 in one turn...

Meanwhile, Carthage would give me the freedom-value speech even if left with a single province, their only town being beseiged by my armies and the only port being blockaded by my boats...

**BeeSting** · 02-18-2005, 22:13

Originally Posted by Slaists

Who said, getting a faction to agree to become a protectorate is difficult? I suspect, the difficulty is tied to the personality trait assigned to each faction at the beginning of the campaign. I got Pontus to agree to become a protectorate after I had taken one province from them: I just turned the province back to them and threw in 10K to sweeten the deal... To my surprise, I discovered that Pontus had actually annihilated Armenia and Parthia and conquered several Seleucid provinces at that point... My province count went up from about 30 to 45 in one turn...

Meanwhile, Carthage would give me the freedom-value speech even if left with a single province, their only town being beseiged by my armies and the only port being blockaded by my boats...

Yes, I also found it easy to persuade Pontus to become a protectorate. But I’m not sure if that was mainly due to personality of a faction.

**The Stranger** · 02-19-2005, 11:04

Originally Posted by BeeSting

Yes, I also found it easy to persuade Pontus to become a protectorate. But I’m not sure if that was mainly due to personality of a faction.

well yes it does

each country has a certain amount of dread. (to get a offer accepted)
and dignity (the will to reject a offer)

**BeeSting** · 02-18-2005, 23:31

Originally Posted by Emperor Umeu 1

yes that's weird that's also the same thing when you're outlawed by the senate.
i was brutii's protectorate and i attacked the senate and they canceled my alliance and choose side with the senate.

only one thing is good, your protectorates can't attack you (this is when you're in charge)

Why would you jack with your protector's ally, especially the Roman Senate? That's like saying F U to my boss's boss. I don't think my boss would side with me if I ever did that?

**The Stranger** · 02-19-2005, 11:08

Originally Posted by BeeSting

Why would you jack with your protector's ally, especially the Roman Senate? That's like saying F U to my boss's boss. I don't think my boss would side with me if I ever did that?

i wanted to finish the game. i was already neutral with the senate because i sieged rom earlier after gaining all possible support with the people.
but then i asked the brutii to become my protectorate and they accepted (i'm in charge ofcourse) and my war with the senate was over. but when i asked them to be allies again the outlawed me but my alliance with the brutii immediatly maked me allies again. and the Senate was giving me orders again even if i could crush them i a turn.