Traits that are bugged in 1.2 with fixes. Part 1: Scarred, Farmer, Trader

**Jambo** · 02-21-2005, 01:20

So gregab...

Are you saying that all "< " signs do not work in the VnV's file? Would that include BattleOdds, etc, too?

And, one thing that doesn't hold up quite correctly is that in my tests I used the >= signs too. In each test I did the general was awarded the ancillaries when the general wasn't involved in the battle. Thus, the GeneralFoughtInCombat condition doesn't seem to work as intended, and that was the point I was trying to make. I was being awarded the ancillaries even though my general just sat back and admired the battle from afar.

This kind of makes the hitpoints lost settings irrelevant does it not? And, this was the reason I was suggesting using the GeneralNumKillsInBattle condition for the scarred/brave traits instead....

If you have some time, please try and read that thread at twcenter to get a more detailed understanding. I've been working on these traits and their nuances with the CVP team for a long time now.

**tai4ji2x** · 02-21-2005, 01:34

jambo:

what about gregab's farmer/trader fixes?

**hrvojej** · 02-21-2005, 02:02

Originally Posted by Jambo

And, one thing that doesn't hold up quite correctly is that in my tests I used the >= signs too. In each test I did the general was awarded the ancillaries when the general wasn't involved in the battle.

Have you tried it with just > instead of >=? Maybe it's all of the "or equal to" operators that are bugged?

**gregab25** · 02-21-2005, 02:16

Originally Posted by Jambo

Are you saying that all "< " signs do not work in the VnV's file? Would that include BattleOdds, etc, too?

No. First of all i am only talking about "= signs extensively, but I seem to remember not having a problem with these. Beyond that I'm not ready to comment on them without more testing. However if it is like HTML code the < = sign makes an arrow while >= does not. But that comment is pure speculation.

Like I said above I have only worked on the Scarred, Farmer, and Trader traits so far because these were annoying the hell out of me. So, I am not going to speculate if things are bugged until I have a chance to look at them.

Likewise, I haven't looked into any traits that use the GeneralFoughtInCombat condition so I cannot comment on it now. But I have read your post and if what you are saying is true it might be bugged. I would like to look into it later.

I would like to reiterate though that the corrections i have posted thus far do work and have been tested. Please at least try them in game before you arbitrarily dismiss them. If you still think there is something wrong with any of those 3 trait corrections (scarred, farming, trader) we will probably just have to agree to disagree.

**gregab25** · 02-21-2005, 02:19

Oops i got cut off again in that last post the first paragraphs are:

No. First of all i am only talking about < signs immediately followed by an equal sign. For now all I am saying definitively is that farming traits did not behave like expected until i got rid of them and instead use the NOT condition as above.

I have not tested >= signs extensively, but I seem to remember not having a problem with these. Beyond that I'm not ready to comment on them without more testing. However if it is like HTML code the < = sign makes an arrow while >= does not. But that comment is pure speculation.

**unseen11** · 02-21-2005, 06:18

Wow thnks man, i've been meaning to find out how to fix up some of the bugs in rome and you've helped me big time

Just one question:

You said that for Trader, the lower or equal to building requirements are steep to get Good Trader virtue so maybe the amount of buildings you have to build to get Good Trader are bugged and need to be edited?

**tai4ji2x** · 02-21-2005, 08:37

unseen:

i think it SHOULD take a lot to get such a good trait, so i would say that that aspect of it is NOT bugged

**unseen11** · 02-21-2005, 09:36

Originally Posted by tai4ji2x

unseen:

i think it SHOULD take a lot to get such a good trait, so i would say that that aspect of it is NOT bugged

Really? having to build 24 less or equal to buildings to get level one Good Trader is allright too you? ok man what ever you say...

though i have to admit im no expert in this whole subject anyway

**tai4ji2x** · 02-21-2005, 10:15

huh? the first threshold is 6, not 24

EDIT: oh, whoops, i was thinking about farmer. well, trader is a powerful trait - i think for most factions, once you get some sea trade going, you're making enough money as it is already. but like you said, to each their own ;)

just another note - there are three building triggers for goodtrader: road, port, and trade. so you could easily have 3 points added in one turn from the building triggers alone. plus, there is also a trigger if your governor stays where there's a trading temple - and that alone is a big 12 point jump