Byznatine Prince - Troll or Not to Troll?

[Red Harvest]

Right. The board itself shall now change the way in which it interprets posts so you become less offensive.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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As a separate point, a staff member usually has wide ranging powers in their own forums (which could be used against a patron he dislikes, discouraging that patron to post there), will have access to the staff forums (if there are any), relationships with all staff members (and as a result the ability to influence decisions of the staff), and usually the support of many members of the forum. In other words a staff member is far more than any ordinary patron even if they have no powers in the forum.

As I have always perceived it, staff = Tosa Inu. It's, for him, a more courteous way of saying "I".

That's not unheard of. A certain software program that I've had for years is developed and supported by a single person with some help from his significant other, while he always speaks "we" officially, referring to the corporation, which practically consists of himself + 1.
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[Byzantine Prince]

Ok no hard feelings guys. I'm retiring from trolling business. Anytime I don't like something i'll just shut the hell up. Is that good enough? [I'm not being sarcastic]

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Side note:
You disagree with me because of

Yes, because you are someone worth disagreeing. You are not in my ignore list. (Otherwise all of your posts would be out of my sight.) Others are in the list because they're unworthy of being taken granted. While you criticise (albeit too heated at times), others plain shout and curse.

There's a difference between disapproval or criticism and calling for hatred and shouting deathwishes.
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[Mount Suribachi]

Anytime I don't like something i'll just shut the hell up. Is that good enough? [I'm not being sarcastic]

It would be a start.

I've been round these boards a while and as you can see I've got a fair few posts. There are certain patrons who drive me nuts, who make my blood boil, who leave me lying awake at night as I stew over the things they've said that have got me so angry. Yet, in all the time I've been here, in all the posts I've made, despite as angry and upset as I ever get, I have never been banned, never had my warn level raised, never been warned by the mods - publicly or privately.

How hard can it be to not go round insulting people? Saying "thats just me" etc is no excuse. I hate it when people say "that's the way I am" or "take me or leave me" as if that somehow justifies bad behaviour, because it doesn't. One of the things I liked about the org when I first started hanging around back in the pre-MTW days was the Shogun style of "honour" that existed amongst the patrons. It can still be seen in many of the old timers, and many of the post Shoggy patrons posses it as well. The discussion between Red Harvest and Mouzapherre in this thread is a prime example. You can disagree with someone but still be polite about it.

[Papewaio]

Oh please, don't fall back on this disingenuous fiction that staff members are just ordinary members outside their own forum. Members of staff, where they like it or not, are more senior patrons of this forum wherever they are, even if they don't have their moderator powers. And it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Can you honestly say that if an ordinary patron had accused another patron of being a troll, or of trolling (even if true), that there would be no repercussions? The FAQ clearly states that "Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times." As a member of this board, you should know this. As a staff member, you should know better.

But as you are just a patron of this forum, one that has clearly broken one of the major rules around this place, I expect TosuInu will take the appropriate action.

IMDHO I call a spade a spade not to do so would be wrong. Also IMDHO I believe BP to be one of the more intelligent posters and with a slight change in abrasiveness his points of view would be received much better, it is a good idea to sugar a bitter pill not heap on tabasco. He is smart enough to be able to change his delivery methods yet increase what others understand what he meant.

I get PMed and emailed if I write something offensive. Mods are not of a uniform opinion or methodology... which is a good thing. I personnally think doing this out in the open is a method of last resort. But if the staff banned BP then there would be outrage that it wasn't transparent. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Why bother? IMDHO I think that we should be free to speak without injury to others. However sometimes we need to highlight each others actions either good or bad to each other in a group. We used to be alot more polite yet quite rowdy when we called each other name-san or name-sama. I would like to see BP stay, just I don't want to see anyone leave because he hurts them deeply with some of his knee-jerk comments. Better to heal as a group and learn as one then be like mushrooms... feed manure and kept in the dark.

Ok no hard feelings guys. I'm retiring from trolling business. Anytime I don't like something i'll just shut the hell up. Is that good enough? [I'm not being sarcastic]

If you wish to tease... and I do all the time.

Use smiles or a false tag ie [tease] ... [/tease], [sarcasm] [irony] [rant] etc

To make it obvious what you are doing... the written word lacks inflection and body language. Some of what you write might be very funny like Chris Rock or dead nasty like the KKK depending purely on the tone someone receives it... give us stoopid ones a clue ok .

Also don't get upset if you tease someone and they tease you back...

Most importantly make fun of yourself as readily as others.

[Red Harvest]

If as you say, you chose to resign from the staff because people assumed you spoke on their behalf, and you didn't wish to bring the board into disrepute because of your unconventional opinions, that's an honourable action, as you put the Org before your position, and you should be saluted.

Don't read too much into it. I didn't "take a bullet" for the .org or anything self sacrificial like that. I valued my independence above being an AM. Nobody told me I had to choose. I felt that making a clear distinction between the two was necessary.

And I wasn't "staff." I was just trying to help in a forum. This misunderstanding of someone being staff is why I felt it best to not carry an AM title. The junior members don't seem to get it (nor do some senior members.)

The function of the backroom is confusing. I made the mistake of venturing there as an AM. I was under the impression that I could discuss current political topics rather openly. Saturnus let his personal political views color his modding, and he had a distorted definition, a very poor showing. It is the worst experience I have ever had with a moderated forum in the past 10 years. Yet I don't see this as a failing of the .org, just one moderator.

[zelda12]

I guess we better get on with getting AIDS over to India then Ac.Troll, right?

That’s his latest post. Having an opinions fair, but talking like that about a disease that has killed so many and will continue to for so long, a disease which has destroyed millions of families and left a generation if orphans all across the world is just wrong. Even if he meant it in jest which he did, he should at least try to have the common decency to keep his thoughts to himself and not joke about that kind of thing.

I don't want him or anyone banned but I think that a quiet word or if inapplicable a lot of shouting should be used to try and get through that holding opinions is one thing but voicing them when they will cause offence and hurt to people is just not on.

Byzantine Prince, if you are as smart as you say you are and as Papewaio believes then please think before you post.

[Byzantine Prince]

You're english. It's unexcuseable for you not to understand sarcasm.

I guess I better stop watching South Park.

[zelda12]

Sarcasm is one thing joking about that is not sarcasm. Its sick.

[Byzantine Prince]

Dude I wasn't agreeing with him. You might notice I was making fun of his idiotic opinion that AIDS was good because it reduced population in Africa. Pay more attention in the sentence structure and stop accusing me of things I don't want.

Again please. No hard feelings.

[TosaInu]

Reading is an art, writing is an art. Both are required for a discussion.

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