Thank you everybody who posted and those guys who only read.I ‘m moding game and puting new units. And I found on Net new units. My quentions (especially for you Emperor Emeu 1, because you “know” everything):
1.How to put correct icon to Amazonian Chariots (I put them to Scythia) – I have peasant icon?
2.Where to find new units? I found on www.twcenter.net something and this really working. More?
3.Where is Europa Barbarorum?
4.How to contact creators of new units. I have a lot of historic pictures and I will send them.
5.How to contact creators of Realism mode?
6.Where to find real Macedon coat of arms (she-goat)?
7.Where to find real Spartan skin (CA alternate is wrong)?
8.How to make provinces without Photoshop?
Some useful links…![]()
My new investigation of game. And I WILL PUT pictures, later (tomorrow midday, I'm wathcing Cup uefa). I finally find scanner.
1. The Names of Cities
This map is map of Alexander the Great’s way of conquering. You will see that some cities and provinces in game are wrong.
in the game = historicly
Seleuca = I don’t see city on map Seleuca – proper is Babylon
Arsakia = better is Rahagae (modern Teheran) – but the best is Ecbatana with geographic changes (famous Persian city – one of four Persian capitals with Babylon, Susa and Persepolis)
Hatra = I see Nisibis
Elymais = I see Persia
2. Illyrian Peltast
That’s how look the real Illyrian warrior with shield “so called” pelta. Pelta was light shield in pattern of number eight (Latin scutum and Serbian skuta). And those Greek Heavy peltast – real name is Thureophoroi. And Illyrian peltasts looked different from Greek Thureophoroi (in game they are same).
3.Amazonians and Scythian
Greek historians wrote a lot of about Amazonians – women warriors. A. Henry Sayce (The Hittites, The Religion Tract Society , Oxford, 1890) :”Amazonian were imagened like people of women warriors whose first native were Capadocia on cost of river Termidona. From there Amazon ians went to conquer people of Minor Asia and to establish empire… Establishing of the most cities refered to Amazonians like Mirinae, Kumae, Smirnae and Ephesus in which was glorifed great asian godess under name Ma.”
And ancient famous historian Strabon wrote (Geographie, De l’Imprimerie Imperiale, Paris, 1805) that Amazonians lived north of Caucas. Thay used sagris (labrisa or in english two -bladed axe) and pelta.
Alfred Maury (Les Getes, Journal des Savants, Avril, Mai, Juin 1869):”Greeks believed they found, in women warriors from coasts of Termidones and Sarmation land, Amazonians from their mythical and religious tradition.”
Scythi – no one knows exactly who those people were. But, something is certain – they lived in modern Ukraine and Russia and the most of historians think they are Sarmations.
I moded game - added Amazonian Chariots in Scythian Blacksmith and changed names of Head Hunting Maidens into Amazonian Cavalry (because those women look like Strabon wrote) and Scythian Noble Women into Amazonian Horse Archers.
And I put how looked Amazonian Infantry (yes, they look like hoplite).
4.Phalanx and Macedonia
The real name of Companion Cavalry is Hetairoi (Greek - Latin commpagnons). Don’t believe - just read John V.A. Fine: The Ancient Greeks, Harvard University Press, Cambridge U.S.A., 1983. From 7th century (until Philipos) the most of Macedonian army were cavalry (hetairoi) supstained from big families and nobles. And Philipos II thought out phalanx.
This is lamda (Macedon coat of arms) in game (I was wrong – I wrote alpha).
And I put picture how phalanx looked (in game Royal Pikemen). On this picture we SEE that men using pikes with two hands and in game use with one hand. How men could hold 6m long pike with one hand?
I read some of you noticed too, that hoplite fight wrong and they never fight in phalanx. Thank you!
5.ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΥ and ΣΕΛΕΥΚΟΥ
Those coins were Seleucid and Ptolomeic money. So, Egypt is wrong (the Ptolomeic Empire is correct) and coat of arms is totally wrong. I see on Ptolomeic coin eagle - not Egyptian cross.
6.Galatae (or in game Naked Fanatics)
Ok, I was wrong. Those guys were lived – they were Gauls tribe. But they don’t have nothing with Dacians, Iberians and Germans.
Gaul is Roman name for Celts (Greek name).
I put picture of wounded Galatae.
7.Samnites
I put how really looked Samnite warriors and Samnite cavalry. In game they are just reskined triarii with lower stats. Somebody have to fix that!
My answers:
TonyJ – I know this is a game, but with some fixs this game can be one the best game ever made (99% only gave Half Life in the Serbian World of Computers, Rome TW 95%). Engine is total revolutionar, but campaign… Thank you God that CA make game modable!
Quillian – read TonyJ
BalkanTourist – from where origin are you?
LtMor – thank you!
Kbot – game have to be freely (it’s a game), but starting positions have to be correct and names of towns and provinces and faction’s units.
Red Harvest – I didn’t trying to discuss about everything in one post. This is only small part. Gaesatae is wrong – Galatae correct.
Kaldhore – I don’t care about Lord of the Rings and those fantastic stories. And I rarely watch Holywood movies – I watch europenian movies and series (especially German and English series and French movies).
Byzantine Prince – I fixed. You don’t understand my post about Macedonians. I wrote aristocracy was Greeks and people was mixture of Illyrian and Thracians tribes. And origin Greek language was by centuries degrade with “barbarian” languages. Everything is in Macedon Greeks, exept people. Greeks imposed culture to origins. Origin of Greeks? Next time – I have the real history of Greece… This is lamdha. Where to find Macedon coat of arms?
Mikeus Caesar – you have right about “barbatians”. Thanks for support! And you have right about MTW – this game always finish different. And in RTW always the same story – Brutii easily conquer Balkan, Scipii Sicily and Africa, Julii Gaul and Iberia, Egypt always destroy Selucid, Armenia in war with Parthia and Pontus, Britons with Germans, Thrace with Scythia, Greeks easily gone from Balkan, bla, bla, bla… Always the same story… It is boring…
Emperor Emeu 1 – the Macedon coat of arms in game is Spartan. And it is stupid to finish game in 220 BC.
Aetius – and I’m doing that.
Oaty – where to find more city mod? “Real accuracy would kill gameplay for most people” – I disagree.
Emperor Emeu 1 – Lieve, you are really challanging guy. Is there any post where are you not? Het spijt me dat jouw zich niet goed voelt. I wrote that legionares used pila – light and heavy. And they used pila to crash enemies shields – not for killing people like in the game. Praetorian Cavalry was – ok, but after 14 BC when game finish. And real name of Legionary cavalry – hartelijk dank! I put in game. But who are then Roman cavalry?
Conon394 – I still can found Lilybaeum, but I belive that town existed. So much of you said that.
We want more…
Romans
Those story with three Roman families is bad. There is simple solution from MTW. When I played with Danes in xxxx year I have to choose right family – and I choose wrong. I lost 2/3 of my provinces. Others were rebel’s provinces. Solution – start like Roman Republic and in some xxx BC come dictatorship and you elect side of dictator – like Cornelius Sula and Gaius Marius. Or First Triumvirate – Gaius Julius Caesar, Gneus Pompeus and Marcus Crassus. That will be really awesome. Those things with families are bad. Loyalty of generals – why is gone? That was right thing.
And those Auxilia troops were green in Empire. Like mercenaries in the game.
Thrace
Why is Thrace hellenic? They have nothing with Greeks. Some influence of Greeks were, but Phalanx in Thrace – impossible! Greek cavalry… And Greek names in Thrace? I cann’t believe! And what Bastarnae do in Thracian army? They were German tribe.
Pontus
Why are they eastern and have hellenic temples? I don’t understand that?![]()
Greek cavalry
If somebody thinks Greek cavalry is bad – yes, they were really bad. The worst in whole ancient world! Actually, from 7th century wars between Greek cities were clashs of hoplites. They stopped using cavalry. And they looked similar like Cataphract in game. With one big exeption – on horses weren’t saddles. Because of that they were totally inaccurate. Horsmen flew from horses even they hit the enemy. CA did jobe well (greek cavalry is weak, but looking – I don’t know).
Intersting Dacian woman’s name Branka
I noticed in game Dacian woman name Branka. Branka is modern Serbian woman name. What this name do in the game – I don’t know. Same story story like Banat (I wrote about that ).
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