what happened at Ipsus

**Baiae** · 03-01-2005, 13:20

Originally Posted by jerby

I read a little, and don't F****ing get it. seleucus and antigonus battleing, wich one was the ptolomeans and wich the seleucids?

Seleucus was the founder of the Seleucid Empire, but I think Antigonus was the founder of the Macedonian (Antigonid) dynasty, not the Ptolomaic.

Are you sure that you're not getting Ipsus confused with Raphia, where the Seleucid and Ptolomiac Empires fought in Coele-Syria?

**The Stranger** · 03-01-2005, 14:35

i think he did, and there were chariots those b*tches really spoiled my victory. i won but it was a pyrrhic victory indeed.

**caesar44** · 03-01-2005, 22:25

Originally Posted by Baiae

Seleucus was the founder of the Seleucid Empire, but I think Antigonus was the founder of the Macedonian (Antigonid) dynasty, not the Ptolomaic.

Are you sure that you're not getting Ipsus confused with Raphia, where the Seleucid and Ptolomiac Empires fought in Coele-Syria?

indeed antigonus was not a petolomaic , that empire belongs to the ................................ yes , petolomies

**jerby** · 03-01-2005, 22:28

sorry, was clearly mistaken.
It was Raphia i thought of, and Ipsus I read about. that pretty much messed it up.

so Ipsus was macedon vs seleucid. and Raphia ptolomaeics vs seleucid.

**AntiochusIII** · 03-02-2005, 00:38

Ipsus is not exactly Macedon vs Seleucid. Technically it is Antigonus the One-eyed ruler of Syria, Palestine, and Asia Minor and his son Demetrius the Besieger being assaulted from all sides by Lysimachus of Thrace, who later killed his own capable son and being defeated later on and become Seleucus' last trophy (literally a day before Seleucus' ultimate reunification of everything except Egypt - hehe - poor people); Ptolemy of Egypt, founder of, of course, the Ptolemaic Lagid Dynasty; Seleucus ruler of Babylon and everything east of it, whose elephants were the decisive arms that decide the battle; and, I'm not sure he's in, but should include Cassander of Macedon murderer of the original royal family whose sons were later killed in the power struggle over Macedon. I know only little about the battle and it seems a hard struggle that when Demetrius made a mistake and charge in to annihilate the Seleucid cavalry forces (under prince Antiochus future Antiochus I Soter) he left his father's flank open and about the entire 480 or so Seleucid elephants fresh from India attacked...beautiful sight

The result was Lysimachus' power doubled with Asia Minor in his hand, Ptolemy established complete stability in his area, and Seleucus' power stretched from Syria to Bactria, poised to take the challenge that Antigonos failed, and Demetrius and other Antigonids went on upon the wide world searching for the new home for his dynasty - which end up at Macedon.

Raphia u all know its Antiochus' defeat and my own defeat when I tried to play it. I got screwed there, the first time ever to lose such an equal battle!!!

because I'm not playing multiplayer.

**Kraxis** · 03-02-2005, 00:58

480 elephants... that is some number! When 15 elephants could ruin the day then I suppose 480 could realy really ruin your day.

It must have been a mighty sight, elephants as far as you could look. If we take it that they were in a two deep formation and with a spread of about 20 meters each (each being 2 meters wide) we end up with more than 5 km of frontage. If I wasn't on Seleucus' side I would be scared shitless.