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    Ambiguous Member Byzantine Prince's Avatar
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    Is the length of the pikes in the game historically accurate?

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    Dunno but I have a question. How effective are long pikes vs. short pikes? Seems like long pike units have lower stats but more men and obviously hte long pikes whereas other hoplite units have shorter pikes but better stats and fewer men. Which is better?

    And anyone done any testing to see which are the best pikemen/hoplite units after spartans? I think the sacred band are the 2nd best.

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    sacred band are pretty much teh same as armoured.
    long pikes pretty much always beat short, it is why they where created by Macedonm, to counter the greek short pikes.
    in game, as long as the long-pikemen don't lift them for the enemy, the short pikes dont stand a chance since they cant reach it. try it. take 3 silver shield pikemen vs 1 spartan. spartans are individual better, but short on range.

    the size for phalangites ( long pikemen) is arrucarte. it was wielded with two hands and the small shield was strapped one to one arm, the sarrissa ( pike) could be 5 meters long.
    dunno about hoplites tough, I heard they were even shorter than in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine_Prince
    Is the length of the pikes in the game historically accurate?
    the macedonians had it for 6 meters that is 20 feet
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    I wish sarrisas could be wielded with two hands in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeSting
    I wish sarrisas could be wielded with two hands in this game.
    They will in the EB mod
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    Default Re: Are Pikes too long

    Between five and six meters seems to have been something of an international standard for pike lenghts. Macedonians, medieval Europeans, the Japanese, all ended up averaging about five and half meters. Longer ones past that "critical mass" apparently proved to be excessively heavy and unwieldy and, so I've been told, started sagging too much under their own weight and lenght.

    And you know, it does look kinda silly when the little RTW soldiers wave theirs with one hand...
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    Default Re: Are Pikes too long

    Quote Originally Posted by Colovion
    They will in the EB mod
    Cool!

    How were you able to achieve this? I heard it was impossible.

    And, are they going to have their shields slung to the left shoulder?

    Also, what’s an EB mod?
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    Default Re: Are Pikes too long

    I found some images of hoplites that show their spear length in relation to their bodies

    Hoplite 6th and 5th century BCE respectivly.


    Just from eyeballing it they look like they have shorter spears than the hoplites in RTW.

    Also for shits and giggles 5th century peltasts greek and thracian
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    Default Re: Are Pikes too long

    take a levy and a phalanx pikemen and compare their shields, levy's have bigger shields.

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    Default Re: Are Pikes too long

    Quote Originally Posted by BeeSting
    Cool!

    How were you able to achieve this? I heard it was impossible.

    And, are they going to have their shields slung to the left shoulder?

    Also, what’s an EB mod?
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