RTW 1.3 Patch Petition

[BeeSting]

I look forward to the day where corporate game brokers no longer stands between those with passion for pc gaming, especially in matters of strategy games for which I know these guys only yawn at. All TW modders should unite and create a game on their own, and freely publish it via internet. I’m tired of waiting year after year for something good to buy off the shelves. What’s there to lose? We will only create games that we will love to play ourselves. If CA with 25 developers could create something like this, then the modding communities with their vast pool of volunteers could easily come up with something better. Who needs office hours? Thanks to the advent of internet, we could come together electronically. We could literally find hundreds of volunteers from a vast pool of talents to easily share the load. F@$% Activision! It's time we show them what money can't buy

[Kraxis]

I look forward to the day where corporate game brokers no longer stands between those with passion for pc gaming, especially in matters of strategy games for which I know these guys only yawn at. All TW modders should unite and create a game on their own, and freely publish it via internet. I’m tired of waiting year after year for something good to buy off the shelves. What’s there to lose? We will only create games that we will love to play ourselves. If CA with 25 developers could create something like this, then the modding communities with their vast pool of volunteers could easily come up with something better. Who needs office hours? Thanks to the advent of internet, we could come together electronically. We could literally find hundreds of volunteers from a vast pool of talents to easily share the load. F@$% Activision! It's time we show them what money can't buy

That has actually been done previously.

There was a group of players of StarCraft that thought it wasn't good enough and so they made their own game. They found out that it was much harder than anticipated and the endresult in bought games (very cheap intenet bought) was very low. Not even the people that had pushed hema long bought the game... It was huge letdown for the developers.

[BeeSting]

So it has been done, which is good to know. But we shouldn't sell it by any means, hell no!

Make something we ourselves will enjoy playing for years. What's there to lose?

[Kraxis]

So it has been done, which is good to know. But we shouldn't sell it by any means, hell no!

Make something we ourselves will enjoy playing for years. What's there to lose?

A lot of time and money.
The game they made was brilliant in terms of balance and tactics (attacking the rear gave bonus and terrain gave bonusses as well to both speed and stats), but it was simply not that well made, looked desidedly rough and it was heavy to play (very bad for an MP game). These guys had used more than 2 years on it and they couldn't get it to be good enough. And that was with borrowing the StarCraft engine and a significantly less complex gamesystem. They were not few and they were not bad at this.
What I learned from it was that good modders aren't always good developers.

[BeeSting]

*bump*

[HarunTaiwan]

I think it's a great game overall, and obviously CA bit of more than it could chew.

I would suggest they provide some feedback to modders who are guessing at fixes so the modders can do a patch with confidence.

You know, the trait bugs, the horse archers, etc.

Clean it up.

For major changes like game speed, they need to have that in the XP.

[Browning]

That has actually been done previously.

There was a group of players of StarCraft that thought it wasn't good enough and so they made their own game. They found out that it was much harder than anticipated and the endresult in bought games (very cheap intenet bought) was very low. Not even the people that had pushed hema long bought the game... It was huge letdown for the developers.

That (developing a game by the users) has been done previously. I mean "Steal Panthers: World at War".

The RTS players may not be familiar with that story, but there was a series of turn-based strategy (and later on, tactical) games placed in WW2 and after called "Steel Panthers", by SSI. After many people modded the games, SSI released the code. Based on this code, a group of fanatics created a completely new tactical game, just "SP:WaW". AFAIK, it was a major success. Last I checked it is available to download for free from www.matrixgames.com .

As I am also suffering from the "AI abandon all tasks" bug, having hardly longer than 1 hour for playing, I support the petition for the 1.3 patch.

[Kraxis]

Ah but that game had the same code as the original, we can't expect that. Hope perhaps but not expect. So until that happens I think people should shelf any ambitions towards creating their own game, it is not worth it.

[wipeout140]

I agree they should bring another patch

[Browning]

Ah but that game had the same code as the original, we can't expect that. Hope perhaps but not expect. So until that happens I think people should shelf any ambitions towards creating their own game, it is not worth it.

The first version of SP:WaW had large portions of the original SSI code, which were gradually replaced by the code written by the community.

You have the point, we can't expect that CA/Activision release the code.

[Aetius the Last Roman]

I wholly agree with the community,
I think CA and/or Activision should at least bother to honour our requests.

Their flagrant disregard for their fanbase is aggravating and downright disrespectful considering that the majority of ppl on these forums are dedicated fans since MTW and STW.


Personally, I just want accountability and an explanation for why things went so badly, any less and the end will be near for CA's fanbase. So let us e-picket , let us protest, we have a right to be angry .
Whatever CA does, it cannot hide behind some nothing, two-faced Activision consultant, no they cannot yell , say
and wave a white flag,
I say whichever group of idiots who ruined the TW series.

I hope the community appreciates my smilies charged speech.