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    Vermonter and Seperatist Member Uesugi Kenshin's Avatar
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    Default Ireland v Scotland

    Well pick one.


    Ireland is the less historically accurate choice, however, it may fit better into the game, due to the Irish Straits and the lower chance of the AI taking over England with them.

    Scotland is historically accurate, however, it is more likely to take down England while under AI control and is much more similar to England and so has a less unique gaming experience.
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    I am tied between the two. I would slightly prefer scotland, howeve, If it means England always geting destroyed then Ireland.

    Edit: I voted Ireland, because on reflection, it might be better for gameplay, as AI doesn't invade across water too often.
    Last edited by Ignoramus; 03-03-2005 at 04:51.

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    Default Re: Ireland v Scotland

    That is why I am unable to vote, I am unable to decide which is better. I think I am biased towards ireland because of my Irish heritage and Irish Soda Bread is soo good too.....


    I am thinking that in spite of that if we are not skinned alive by historians and Ranika, Ireland is the better choice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uesugi Kenshin
    I am thinking that in spite of that if we are not skinned alive by historians and Ranika, Ireland is the better choice...
    I know, I was originally backing Saranalos on a Gaelic Federation, and he managed to persuade me over to Scotland. Whichever one we leave however, we definately will use them in Feudal.

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    Oh, BTW, I sent you a pm.

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    Default Re: Ireland v Scotland

    Ireland or Scotland is find by me; the confederation idea was the most irritating. As for how I view it, I am inclined to vote for Scotland for historical reasons, but the gameplay considerations are pretty valid. So I'll flip a coin and vote later.
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    Hey I was never for the Gaelic Confederation I was just for Ireland. I think if we have Ireland in the game we might be able to squeeze some scottish mercenaries in because as far as I know they were used regularly(correct me if i'm wrong on this).
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    Well, which one are we having?

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    Scotland. Everyone loves kilts and claymores!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief
    Scotland. Everyone loves kilts and claymores!
    There were no kilts around yet.specially not in military.

    Anyway, Scotland was a major player in European politics. A scottish queen almost sat on the english throne thanks to spanish support. I dont think you can leave scotland out.
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    Well the Irish almost killed the english with the spanish armada exept it was commanded by a fool!
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    I prefer Scotland because of historical accuracy, but if euther Scotland or England keeps losing early, then Ireland.

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    Default Re: Ireland v Scotland

    Whatever the majorit eventually chooses I will go with. They are both very valid, anybody know if they can move a faction to just above the Britons in CTW and test it without too much trouble?

    Maybe move the Gauls if it is possible.
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    scotland
    for history
    actually james VI of scotland sat on the english throne as james I in around 1600
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    [QUOTE=Uesugi Kenshin] Irish Soda Bread is soo good to....[QUOTE]
    *drools*

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    You people are going to be the death of me!

    This has come down to 6v6 50-50. I have not cast my vote yet..... Has anyone else not cast their vote?


    Oh this really sucks.... Gameplay v History, worst face off ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uesugi Kenshin
    You people are going to be the death of me!

    This has come down to 6v6 50-50. I have not cast my vote yet..... Has anyone else not cast their vote?


    Oh this really sucks.... Gameplay v History, worst face off ever.
    Well, if nobody else votes, its your decision. After all, you are the Team Leader.

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    Default Re: Ireland v Scotland

    Voted for Ireland for gameplay reasons, under the pretense that it starts as a single province, and Ireland itself be divided up into a number of provinces, so that the Irish don't spread too over-rapidly; each province would have strong armies in them to make spread slow, and the English should have a single Irish province, so they're inevitably pushed to war with the Irish for the island. The English would start (in Ireland) in a weak position; they'd been struggling with indigenous Irish and Normano-Irish chieftans for some time, and they weren't in a very strong position at all. The Irish should start with Connacht, it was the most stable of the old kingdoms at the time, it had a king, etc. They'd start in an alright position. Not too wealthy or anything, but Connacht produces green marble, so their initial province should have some type of 'marble' resource to increase trade. Irish units in general should be kind of cheap to train and maintain (later Irish units, with chain armor, fire arms, etc. would be equal in expense to other countries units), so they can survive with a fair-sized early army and only a single province. They should be able to, within a few turns of the game start, take a second province in Ireland, but doing so should stretch them a small bit, and make them have to consolidate before moving to another province.

    Scotland should still be two provinces, I think, each with strong armies in them, and Scottish regional units should be available for both Ireland and England.
    Last edited by Ranika; 03-05-2005 at 05:43.
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    Default Re: Ireland v Scotland

    I have come to a conclusion!

    I am voting for Ireland. In my opinion the Emerald Isle deserves a slot and will be very fun to play, it will also be more able to survive an English assault and hopefully will not take over England often if ever. It will also be exceptionally fun to play due to unique units, position, homelands fertility and the challenge of being surrounded by large rebel armies.

    Rip me a new one tomorrow, tonight I have my last untroubled sleep.
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    Oh well I'm glad that people voted for Ireland but I like to argue. Now Come on Scotland is the better choice......
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    Didn't you before press very strongly for Ireland?

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    Alba gu Brath!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignoramus
    Didn't you before press very strongly for Ireland?
    It was a joke....
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    Now this is a wee bit of a pickle lads. Ranika and I voted for Ireland giving it an 8-6 advantage but now two more people have voted for Scotland. We really need to find a way to stop tying....
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    Maybe people have changed their opinions after voting?

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    Scotland was a kingdom with clear lines of succession, with an army, nobility and foreign relations. It fought wars with England. It had a parliament and a judiciary system At the end of the period a Scottish king sat on the English throne.

    Ireland had none of these things, a quite wild country with no central authority.

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    This pole is, I think, of no use for decision making. The decision for me would be easy - Scotland. I don't know why are you wondering about Ireland being a faction on its own. You got a tye now, and I think it won't change much. There are no good reasons why Ireland shouls be a faction, as you can give Irish regions some unique units and make them rebels and you got what Ireland was at the time pretty much. Well, I'm pretty curious how you will resolve this situation.

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    If by the end of the week it is still tied we will have a quick discussion and I will make a decision if everybodi is fine with that. I will take into consideration all aspects of the two factions and will attempt to remove all bias that I have.
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    Aggh! Scotland looks like it's about to triumph over Ireland.
    Just when itlooked like Ireland was winning...
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    Default Re: Ireland v Scotland

    Éireann go Brách! It would make more sense so choose Ireland, as it had yet to be fully integrated with ANglo culture, and was still a completely different place, and would allow for more unique units. Scotland for the most part under heavy influence from England, except in the highlands, wheras Ireland had a multitude of cultures in power in various parts of the country. Most of Eastern Ireland by 1607,(out of the mod's timeframe I know) after the flight of the earls was under Scottish and English Protestant control, and the Irish Gaels and Norse Irish were confines to the more western parts of Munster, and Connacht, and some parts of Ulster. This was solidified of course when the English invaded under Cromwell in 1649 and sacked Drogheda. I think it would be more fun for someone playing the game to play as the Irish, and I could definately assist you modders with history and unit info if you request. I am biased though, being from Ireland and all, lol.
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