The Dutch Republic

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 03-05-2005, 05:02

I woulds say it is extremely unlikely. We already have a fairly full faction list and have been debating whether or not to include other more prominent factions, Tuetonic Knights and Saxony for example. I wish we could include everything, but a lot of restrictions are placed on the number of factions and the number of units. Sorry.....

**The Stranger** · 03-06-2005, 13:08

make them like the swiss, you know emerging on a time, and depenent on some things like ownership or happiness

**Ghorrit** · 03-24-2005, 19:30

No worries, still looking forward to the release.
I would be carefull though of putting in a faction like the Teutonic Knights in a Rennaissance mod......
Ghorrit

**cegorach** · 03-25-2005, 10:55

This mod starts in 1402 so the Order has to be there.

Looking for the Dutch, check the P&M TW subforum

**Ignoramus** · 04-02-2005, 02:06

Well, we have Burgundy which has territory in the Netherlands.

**Brutus** · 04-05-2005, 13:38

The Burgundian possesions would become Habsburg after 1482, when Mary of Burgundy, last of her line (she was the daughter of Charles the Bold, who died against the Swiss in 1477) fell of her horse and died. The Netherlands were then ruled by Maximilian of Habsburg (Mary's husband) for his son, Philip, and when Philip died (in 1506), Maximilian ruled once more for his grandson Charles V who took over Burgundy and the Netherlands in 1515, Spain in 1516 and was chosen emperor in 1519.

However, the Dutch rebellion didn't take any real form before 1568 (1566 only being the year of the infamous 'Beeldenstorm', when iconoclasts wrecked many church treasures), when the first battle was fought at Heiligerlee, and didn't get any territorial possesions until 1572, when the seabeggars (watergeuzen) under Admiral Lumey van der Marck took the town of Brill (Den Briel). For some years the rebellion was in a precarious position, but by 1579 they owned a territory large enough to be reckoned with. By the end of the 16th century the Dutch were already establishing themselves as a major European power.

So probably some 'Dutch rebels' would be in order...