Power Peasants - Wierd

[Shadar]

Currently i'm playing a Brutii Campaign, and not that long ago i managed to get one of the Macedonian cities as part of a ceasefire deal and i razed everything in it to the ground, and it revolted in 2 turns. About 10 years after that, with fairly strained relations between me and the Macedonians (i've been destroying their armies one after another.. In fact the general that i placed there to defend my northern border is now 7 stars with the Superior Defender virtue (i think thats what it is.. the one that gives +4 command when defending), which really isn't bad.. he originally was a noname 2 star member married into the family...

After (finally) driving the Greeks from the mainland of Greece, i sent a few spies north to check out the Macedonians, their armies and their garissons and stuff, and was VERY suprised to find some extremely extremely powerful peasants.. (powerful to the point they were almost stronger than my unupgraded Principes). And what do you know... there are at least 10 units of triple GOLD chevron Peasants with GOLD shield and GOLD weapon. -.-' How on earth did those peasants get so strong? O.O

[Zalmoxis]

By planting certain "herbs" in their fields .

[Grand Duke Vytautas]

That's what can happen concerning revolts (happened to me many times) when you play on very hard/very hard The AI just freakin cheats

[Shadar]

But this was on Easy/Easy... Kinda ridiculous...

This was my first time trying to actually finish a short imperial campaign (I had like half a dozen quick games before that to test how units fought, how the game worked and stuff like that.)

[Oaty]

The formula is quite simple

A rebellion get's xxx amount of denari. So when they go to spend that denari it has only peasants to train, peasants being so cheap makes the upgrades cheap. Now if there was a level 4 barracks there they probably would have gotten only 2 or 3 units out of it. To sum it up it can only get units that are trainable there and the rebels pay the same price they would for the units in custom battle.

Thinking of it in historical terms you sack a city loot it rape and kill, later a rebellion occurs and they kill people of your culture in revenge.

This is the counter to looting in RTW, whereas in Shogun and MTW the A.I. had no defense against the human looting land.

If you don't want a rebellion take the city loot it, then take a diplomat and gift it back to your enemy.

[The Stranger]

happened to me many times, one time my elite hoplite army was almost crushed by these kind of peasants.

[Divinus Arma]

HEY HUN: Yes I do. Read this quote:

The formula is quite simple

A rebellion get's xxx amount of denari. So when they go to spend that denari it has only peasants to train, peasants being so cheap makes the upgrades cheap. Now if there was a level 4 barracks there they probably would have gotten only 2 or 3 units out of it. To sum it up it can only get units that are trainable there and the rebels pay the same price they would for the units in custom battle.

This makes perfect sense. If they simply rebelled and had a handful of worthless peasants, how obnoxious would that be? Very! Many folks have complained about the "mini-armies" all over the board. BY creating powerless peasants, the program would be simply creating the same problem. Three units of hastati and some creten archers, or a full stack of peasants: which would you rather have for a battle?

[The Hun]

It still makes no sense. When buildings are razed any further unit ( peasant ) production should not have upgrades. I too have seen this and I maintain that with no armourer etc, they can not produce the upgrades they get

[Chelifer]

It still makes no sense. When buildings are razed any further unit ( peasant ) production should not have upgrades. I too have seen this and I maintain that with no armourer etc, they can not produce the upgrades they get

The peasants could have been given a higher morale instead, as they probably think that they are "doing the right thing" :)

[The Stranger]

i think it's a mistake, in some part in the game, cause i never seem to get those power peasants.

[Mikeus Caesar]

I got an army of power peasants on Crete once. They are damn good!! The brutii kept sending small stacks of about 4-5 units, and i got the PP's and just swarmed the brutii armies. Quantity and quality combined makes for a great army.

Btw, the PP's had gold sword and shield and triple gold chevrons. Talk about neat!!

[Quillan]

I've seen it before. They kicked the collective asses of several legionary cavalry I sent after them. The fact that they appear doesn't irritate me as much as the fact that they sometimes appear in a once-might city that's down to about 2000 population, but has a garrison of nearly 1600 troops and a public order of 70%.

[player1]

After (finally) driving the Greeks from the mainland of Greece, i sent a few spies north to check out the Macedonians, their armies and their garissons and stuff, and was VERY suprised to find some extremely extremely powerful peasants.. (powerful to the point they were almost stronger than my unupgraded Principes). And what do you know... there are at least 10 units of triple GOLD chevron Peasants with GOLD shield and GOLD weapon. -.-' How on earth did those peasants get so strong? O.O

You mean 3gold star peasants (+9exp)?

I got similar thing after a long raze and burn VH campaign (exterminate, raze buildings and leave).

[Watchman]

Triple-gold peasants or not, the ones that came after the Scipii army I'd bribed that wandered around Sahara trying to link up with my real armies still ran fast enough when introduced to merc elephants and their slinger buddies.

Still, I must admit I always found those triple-gold revolt stacks a little odd looking. What'd these sodbusters do, time-warp to the Shao Lin temple and back ?