I did an experiment - How good are JHI really ?

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 03-12-2005, 23:31

I dd not know about that exploit...

I wll have to start using it so can finally field all Janissary and canon armies. Thanks for telling me about that.

**Age** · 03-12-2005, 23:35

Originally Posted by Uesugi Kenshin

I dd not know about that exploit...

I wll have to start using it so can finally field all Janissary and canon armies. Thanks for telling me about that.

What does this mean?

This allowed me to build JHI, JI and JA in every province, with the above stats.

**2faced** · 03-13-2005, 03:56

I thought Bulgarian Brigands got valor bonuses in Bulgaria?

Also, if you start in Early, you could have won by the time you get to JHI, so they might not prove to be a very large factor in things..overall.

**Betito** · 03-13-2005, 04:28

Originally Posted by 2faced

I thought Bulgarian Brigands got valor bonuses in Bulgaria?

Both, JHI and bulgarian Brigands, get valour bonus in Bulgaria (you can confirm that by checking the unit info file. In the game, only the first unit mentioned to have a bonus in certain province is actually mentioned).

Originally Posted by 2faced

Also, if you start in Early, you could have won by the time you get to JHI, so they might not prove to be a very large factor in things..overall.

You might want to try a GA campaign, wich allows you to win the game wothout killing everyone (unless you still want to, of course). Also, this same affirmation would be true for the rest of advanced units in the game (Gothic knights, Lancers, SAP...), so i guess that if you want to see them in action, you will have to take it slowly... cooperate, so to speak...

**2faced** · 03-13-2005, 18:39

I suppose it all depends on your style of play.

**_Aetius_** · 03-13-2005, 21:16

I find that by the time I can train JHI I have conquered most of my nearby rivals and am ready to push westward if the AI is strong and resisting heavily JHI can be crucial in that push westward. Saracens, Ghazis, Muwahids etc arent good enough to defeat strong western armies the Janissary corp changes that balance coupled with the Turks excellent cavalry roster you can then conquer even the strongest of Catholic nations.

However sometimes the AI has destroyed itself and JHI become more a luxery than necessity.

**BAD** · 03-13-2005, 22:54

Originally Posted by _Aetius_

I find that by the time I can train JHI I have conquered most of my nearby rivals and am ready to push westward if the AI is strong and resisting heavily JHI can be crucial in that push westward. Saracens, Ghazis, Muwahids etc arent good enough to defeat strong western armies the Janissary corp changes that balance coupled with the Turks excellent cavalry roster you can then conquer even the strongest of Catholic nations.

However sometimes the AI has destroyed itself and JHI become more a luxery than necessity.

Before getting to JHI I worked out the subtlties and nuances of Ghazi Infantry (and Futuwwa's). Now really there isn't much need for JHI. Especially when the Ghazi's/Futawwa's have valoured up and with full Armour Upgrades.

Just use Saracens or Muwahids to hold the line and smash the flanks and rear with the Ghazi's/Futtawa's. . . it's pretty much game over. Of course you could "hold" the line with JHI, but that would be. . .

overkill