World Wonders... Where are they?

[B1ueBa11]

I'm playing through my first "Rome:Total War" campaing. I'm a veterent of S:TW and M:TW. I had read a blurb somewhere saying that world wonders were in this game and that they gave you advantages over your rivals. I spotted the statue of Zeus early in the game but I had other fish to fry so I left it alone.

Once I secured the British isles, the Iberian peninsula and the Gaul and German territories I turned my attention back to it. In the meantime, The Brutii had taken most of the Greek mainland and had the statue under their control.

I remembered that one of the wonders was the Colossus of Rhodes. So I check that out and I spot the giant statue right where it's supposed to be. (Although by the date I got there the real Colossus had fallen due to an earthquake)

I managed to take it and I spotted the tomb of Mausoleus and the temple of Artemis on the mainland north of my position. The Selucid Empire had those but I declared war and managed to secure and hold the regions they were in.

Now you must be saying: "There's a question coming" There is. Does anybody know where all the 7 wonders are and what their effect is?

Here is what I have so far:
Statue of Zeus - Aetolia - Effect unknown
Temple of Artemis - Ionia - Religious Buildings are cheeper
Tomb of Mauseleus (sp) - Lycia - 5 turn + buildings build faster
Colossus of Rhodes - Rhodes(duh!) - 40% bonus on trade (thats a big one)
Alexandria Lighthouse - Nile Delta - Effect unknown
Pyramids of Giza - Middle Egypt - Effect unknown

I thought the last (and 7th) wonder was the Acropolis in Athens but I can't find it on the map. I could be wrong though. If you have any corrections or extra info, please post it ASAP.

[nokhor]

the acropolis is not one. but the hanging gardens of babylon [near susa] is one it helps with farming or something. the pyramids help with controlling egyptian cities. the lighthouse helps with ship movement rates i think, it's been a while. and i think zeus helps with happiness or control of cites or public order or whatever it's called in this game. man it's really been a while since i played this. there might be more specific info in the ludus magnus.

[The Stranger]

the hanging gardens and you have to take the city Seleucia (should be named Babylon) it makes farms more effective, very good in combination with Alexandrie.

[lars573]

Here is what I have so far:
Statue of Zeus - Aetolia - Effect unknown
Temple of Artemis - Ionia - Religious Buildings are cheeper
Tomb of Mauseleus (sp) - Lycia - 5 turn + buildings build faster
Colossus of Rhodes - Rhodes(duh!) - 40% bonus on trade (thats a big one)
Alexandria Lighthouse - Nile Delta - Effect unknown
Pyramids of Giza - Middle Egypt - Effect unknown

I thought the last (and 7th) wonder was the Acropolis in Athens but I can't find it on the map. I could be wrong though. If you have any corrections or extra info, please post it ASAP.

The statue of Zeus is in the Peoloponesus provinces, basically you take Corinth and it's yours, it gives a public order bonus. The lighthouse of Alexandria gives faster ship movement, it's something like 25% more movement points per turn. The pyramids make Egyptians more loyal to whom ever owns them. In practical game play terms it means that the nile provinces have a public order bonus to your faction. The 7th wonder is the hanging gardens of Babylon. It gives a farming bonus, don't ask why cause i don't know. The hanging gardens are very usefull to poor-ass Parthia in making their cities grow.

the hanging gardens and you have to take the city Seleucia (should be named Babylon) it makes farms more effective, very good in combination with Alexandrie

No it shouldn't, a simple google of "city of Seleucia" will tell you that Seleicia super ceded Babylon as soon as it was founded. Every historical source I can find says that Babylon was near abandoned by 270 BC. Besides if it was Babylon then the city would be where the gardens are on the map.

[B1ueBa11]

You are right of course. The statue of Zeus is in the Peoloponesus. I missread my map.

[hrvojej]

Just doubleclick the wonder to get info about the effects and a short history as well.

[Quillan]

The Statue of Zeus is giving a permanent bonus of +10% to public order in all settlements.
The Pyramids cancel all culture penalties for Egyptian buildings.
The Pharos adds to the naval movement of the owning faction (I'm not sure of the exact amount). It says it reduces the chance of ships sinking, but I don't know how that works.
The Temple of Artemis reduces the construction cost of all religious buildings by 30%.
The Hanging Gardens add 20% (I think) to the farming revenue from all settlements.

[The Stranger]

The Statue of Zeus is giving a permanent bonus of +10% to public order in all settlements

a bonus of 20%

[Akka]

a bonus of 20%

Nope, 10 %.
The description says "+4" which should mean 20 %, but in practice, the real effect is 10 %.

[The Stranger]

oh, stupid. well than can't we ,mod the effect to 20%

[AntiochusIII]

Erm, the wonder effects are hardcoded.

[The Stranger]

damn CA

[Severous]

Hi

Ive captured the Greek Wonder. Statue of Zeus. I have a question/observation.

I searched for a thread with Wonder and found this old one. In earlier posts there is talk of the Wonder having a '+4' effect on a population loyalty.

Sure enough. I saw an immediate benefit to all my Brutii towns. +30% benefit on the public order rating.

Next turn the benefit has reduced to 25% .

Whats going on here ?

Also I see that Corinth no longer has any negative 'unrest' at all. This is unuaual. A town captured normally needs several turns before 'unrest' disappears. During this time unrest drops away slowly. Yet Corinth was 30% on the turn I captured it (via Diplomacy) and next turn there is 0% unrest.

Does anyone know how this wonder is working ? Will its benefit keep on dropping ?

[lars573]

When you capture a monument you get a temporary public order boost. It drains after a while not many turns.

[Garvanko]

Does Colossus of Rhodes give 40% boost to sea trade for the rest of your game, or do the effects wear off after a while.?

It is by far the best wonder, imo.

[symball]

it works throughout the campaign- once you have rhodes you need to keep hold of it as you can easily become dependant on its boost- lose it to a revolt and you suddenly find yourself in the red!

[lars573]

it works throughout the campaign- once you have rhodes you need to keep hold of it as you can easily become dependant on its boost- lose it to a revolt and you suddenly find yourself in the red!

That's why I cheat like a Nazi soccer player. Made easier via BI.

[symball]

but why cheat all the time- the whole point of the game is to buld up your trade so you can afford the armies. you might as well play custom battles.

still each to their own

[lars573]

but why cheat all the time- the whole point of the game is to buld up your trade so you can afford the armies. you might as well play custom battles.

still each to their own

To be able to win all the time. The point of the game, any game is to win. Sometimes that means manipulating the game to favor you.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes, the pount is to win but if you break the rules you're just beating the game, no winning. Your Victory is hollow, your honour non-existant.

Its like taking you starting armies as the WRE in BI and going on the rampage, sure you might beat the game but your Empire wouldn't last another ten years.

Here's somethign funny, after the "offical" game end wonder effect seem to dissapear.

[Garvanko]

The only 'cheat' I ever use is the Fog of War.

Managing your economy is one of the more satisfying aspects of Total War. Managing squalor is probably the most pointless.

it works throughout the campaign- once you have rhodes you need to keep hold of it as you can easily become dependant on its boost- lose it to a revolt and you suddenly find yourself in the red!

Thanks for that.

[lars573]

Yes, the pount is to win but if you break the rules you're just beating the game, no winning. Your Victory is hollow, your honour non-existant.

Honour is irrelavent, victory is all. If you play, you play to win. After all the ends always justify the means.

[snevets]

I don't agree with that statement at all. How can you feel satisfied about winning when you needed to rely cheats for victory. Without challenge there is no fun... there is no gratification in defeating anyone to know afterward that he would have bested you if you had not rigged the test of eachother's abilities.

[Watchman]

I know *I* for one wouldn't go around telling people I a) need b) want to cheat against the poor RTW AI, that's all I'm saying...

[lars573]

I don't agree with that statement at all. How can you feel satisfied about winning when you needed to rely cheats for victory. Without challenge there is no fun... there is no gratification in defeating anyone to know afterward that he would have bested you if you had not rigged the test of eachother's abilities.

The satisfaction comes from knowing they had no chance. From knowing you out smarted them.

[symball]

I have used cheats before and other than fog of war have then promtly dropped the campaign. using cheat codes isn't "outsmarting" the AI, it is just typing.

lars, I have the feeling you are just baiting people now so I will leave you to it.

[lars573]

No no I'm perfectly serious. I always cheat verse the AI. Every chance I get, every game I have.

[Pontifex Rex]

Honour is irrelavent, victory is all. If you play, you play to win. After all the ends always justify the means.

That's just it lars,...you are not *playing* the game at all, you are cheating the game. I do not see how you can claim to outsmart the AI when you have never played against it. You have neve been tested and thus have never proven your skill at *playing* the game. You might as well just throw your money away or burn it.

[lars573]

That's just it lars,...you are not *playing* the game at all, you are cheating the game. I do not see how you can claim to outsmart the AI when you have never played against it. You have neve been tested and thus have never proven your skill at *playing* the game. You might as well just throw your money away or burn it.

Ah but I have. See I out smarted the AI by playing the game the way it does. AI in any game cheats. It's just a matter of how much.

[Gtafanboy]

I cheat :doesn'tcare: I think it is fun to cheat and have uber armies and provinces. Why should I care about honour? Am I going to win money by beating this game without cheats? If not, I don't care. I'll cheat till my hands turn blue. Makes the game more fun. I'm not saying in my opinion because of course it's my opinion, I said it. YOU think it makes the game less fun, don't try and force that thought on us.