Billmen Vs Halbardiers ???????????????

[bluebird]

Which are the most effective unit? Billmen or Halbardiers? disregarding the valour bonuses. How do they fare against each other in combat.

[mfberg]

Billmen - they are faster, and have a higher base morale which should offset the higher armour/defence rating of the halbs.

mfberg

[Procrustes]

Why not just set up a small custom battle and see? It's fun. (Make yourself the defender - that way you can pick the place on the map to fight. Give yourself one unit, them one unit, find a fairly flat map in summer, have at it.)


EDIT:

Here are the stats on each:

Billmen - charge 2, attack 2, defence 4, armor 3, speed 6,10,11, moral 2
Halberdiers - charge 2, attack 1, defence 6, armor 5, speed 4,8,9, moral 0
Swiss Halbs - charge 2, attack 3, defence 3, armor 2, speed 6,10,11, moral 6

I love halbs. Both are absolutely devestating against cavalry - doen'st really matter which you pick. But halbs are so armored they die really slow - kinda negates their lower attack and moral as they stay in the fight so much longer. With some upgrades they are like a rock. They are great for sending against the GH or into assault castles. For me the biggest strike against them has been their very slow march.

EDIT 2 - added SH stats

[sir_schwick]

Billmen are tactically superior for every purpose but arrow spongery. The high armour of Halbeards will make them soak up tons of arrow fire with little or no casualties.

[_Aetius_]

I consider Halberdiers to be like the infantry classes version of a tank, their heavy armour can help them sustain immense pressure and can push through infantry and cavaklry in fair circumstances.

Billmen are lighter but have better morale and are faster moving on the battlefield, if i had to choose id choose billmen.

Id also like to see who is greater out of billmen, halberdiers AND swiss halberdiers. I may do some tests to find out.

[Zarax]

Billmen VS Halbs is more or less a draw unless you go in hot climates where the heavy halbs will roast, but in many situation the billmen will prevail thanks to their morale...
On the other side Swiss halbs will beat both in a straight fight as they are pumped up billmen (or bills are toned down swiss).