BUG-FIXER, an unofficial patch for Rome: Total War

[Ice]

bravo, excellent work

[Oracle]

Here are few more things too look in to (for future patch) -
Trait intelligent there is absolutly no way to gain it beyond first level. But in campaign you can see characters with second level of this trait? possibly even third. So it look like developers forgot to add such thing like:
Trigger random_birthNN
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition Trait Intelligent > = 1

Affects Intelligent 1 Chance 50

etc.

Same thing applies to other skills like NaturalPhilosophySkill, MathematicsSkill, PhilosophySkill and other simillar skills.

[player1]

You are so right.

Most other inborn-only traits 50% chance to get 1 extra point, and then another 50% for next extra point, etc...

[player1]

Although as far as I see only Intelligent trait needs to be inborn with higher levels. For those others (that are skills), it seams that triggers on some other places are missing.

[player1]

Although, when I think about it, I bet that Intelligent is supposed to fuction similar as Inbred line of traits (depending from your father).

[vastator]

I've just installed v1.3 and I'm really looking forward to using it, along with Darth Vader's formation mod and a few unit tweaks of my own. Thanks for all the hard work - most of what you did would have left me thinking "Wha?"

[Oracle]

Although as far as I see only Intelligent trait needs to be inborn with higher levels. For those others (that are skills), it seams that triggers on some other places are missing.

Indeed, here is my idea for skills

Trigger selfperpetuating49
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait MathematicsSkill > = 1

Affects MathematicsSkill 1 Chance 4

You can look at PoeticSkill in original file, for some weird reason (I suspect this reason is called forgetfullness) PoeticSkill can be increased unlike others simillar skills.
Btw there is clear error with PoeticSkill, it's available to only greeks. In skill description they exclude only barbarians (which seems logical) but during birth such skill is only accessible for greeks, moreover greeks have 2 chances to increase this skill:
Trigger random_birth37
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition CultureType greek

Affects Arse 1 Chance 4
Affects PhilosophySkill 1 Chance 8
Affects MathematicsSkill 1 Chance 4
Affects PoeticSkill 1 Chance 6
Affects PoeticSkill 1 Chance 4
I suspect that Affects PoeticSkill 1 Chance 4 shold be moved from greeks section to generic trigger.
One more odditie in Skills now it's NaturalPhilosophySkill. Eastern excluded in skill description but they clearly intended to gain this skill, look at the Trigger random_birth39.
As for idea to treat Intelligence simmilar to Inbred I have to disagree, probably Handsome/Ugly will be a better example for parents influence :) The only bad thing is since there is no antitrait to intelligent, there will be to many smart peoples for my liking. So I think it's better to stick to only such traits like:
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition Trait Intelligent > = 1/2/3

Affects Intelligent 1 Chance 50

[player1]

Selfperpetuating is interesting idea, advancing some of those skills.


As for poetics, maybe developers wanted poetic skill to be greek only? For example, poet retinue memebers are only available in odeons.
And some generals can get being good poets from the beggining (that's why 2 there are two lines).

For NaturalPhilosophy, similar retinue member is also excluded from eastern cultures, so I get having them in trigger is probably an error (and harmless one).


For intelligence, I agree that getting them inherited could just be too much. But something like NaturalMilitaryTalent trait could be interesting.

Trigger dads_NaturalMilitaryTalent
    WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

    Condition FatherTrait NaturalMilitarySkill >= 1

    Affects NaturalMilitarySkill  1  Chance  30

Only first level is gained this way. Other levels need:

Trigger random_birth43
    WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

    Condition Trait NaturalMilitarySkill >= 1

    Affects NaturalMilitarySkill  1  Chance  50 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger random_birth44
    WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

    Condition Trait NaturalMilitarySkill >= 2

    Affects NaturalMilitarySkill  1  Chance  50 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger random_birth45
    WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

    Condition Trait NaturalMilitarySkill >= 3

    Affects NaturalMilitarySkill  1  Chance  50

[Oracle]

I'm not sure about greek poets and eastern phylosophers.
As for intellegence trait, NaturalMilitarySkill is a good example, that's how intelligence should be implemented.

[player1]

Ok, I would surely add something like this:

Trigger random_birthNN
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition Trait Intelligent > = 1

Affects Intelligent 1 Chance 50

As for "dad_intelligent", I'm thinking, maybe it was omitted deliveratly, since raw intelligence isn't always inherited to kids. Some talents as well as level of education is, but I'm not sure about raw intelligence that intelligent trait represents.

Anyway, it's interesting that philosopher and mathematicam retinue members can be gained at academy, so maybe they should trigger similar character traits. It's similar to rethoricans and natural philosopher at lundus magnus (did I spelled this well?).