vanilla rome-unified

**jerby** · 03-15-2005, 18:27

ok, so rome will be with three patriarch-families. at least that what i've read. could somebody give a source about the three families, cause i don't get it.
but please tell me those three will all be dead-poor. if they are all reasonably rich they will rule the world with 10% of their original time. rome was superior, no doubt, but not already at 210 BC.

so why this choice? caus it will seriously affect gamplay. if I where Bactria, and i decided to go west. all I would find is Rome.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 03-15-2005, 18:40

Originally Posted by jerby

ok, so rome will be with three patriarch-families. at least that what i've read. could somebody give a source about the three families, cause i don't get it.
but please tell me those three will all be dead-poor. if they are all reasonably rich they will rule the world with 10% of their original time. rome was superior, no doubt, but not already at 210 BC.

so why this choice? caus it will seriously affect gamplay.

Sounds like you need to address that question to: mailto:info@creative-assembly.co.uk

**Furious Mental** · 03-16-2005, 09:13

If you were Bactria I don't see how you could go anywhere except west.

**Valens** · 03-16-2005, 09:34

Well he could always go north, into more useless land...

**jerby** · 03-16-2005, 22:12

yeha ok, but when I go west, By the time I ( medium player) get to greece, there will be nothing but rome, and that is 4 centuries too soon (not accurate, i know, it's an overstatement) but still, EB discussed it, and came to the conclusion that this will be more accuarte tha unified. but a: why? and b: in history, or in gameplay?

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 03-16-2005, 22:21

I do know that if there were clear and easy answers to this question, that EB wouldn't have had the enormous volume of discussions that took place about it. And also RTR wouldn't have had the alternate ways of dealing with it either. It (CA's vanilla Rome) is a neat idea in theory or for those folks who don't care a whole lot about realism either way, but in practice the limitations have caused an awful lot of trouble for any folks trying to come up with a realistic depiction. Everyone isn't going to be happy with EB's Rome solution just like everyone isn't going to be happy with RTR's Rome solution. So we both give it our best tries and move on.

**Drag0nUL** · 03-17-2005, 11:11

To my knowledge you can't unify all Rome since the removal of the Senate causes erratic behavior of the game in some areas. But what if the Senate remained, but the three families were unified in one faction.I think that this would be not only more historicallly acurate, but would also free 2 faction slots.

**jerby** · 03-17-2005, 13:44

well, no. if you only leave the senate, you don't get three free slots. since the relatiosn between those slots are hard coded: the new faction will still gte orders from the senate.
well what they could do is:
-leave only the senate, but that will leave tremendous bugs in campaign is guess.
-leave only senate and jullii, jullii will be playable and get orders, and get beafed up.
-leave senate and two romans.
-liek vanilla, leave all, an tone all down.

btw, nobody here from EB itself?

**Drag0nUL** · 03-17-2005, 15:26

Originally Posted by jerby

well, no. if you only leave the senate, you don't get three free slots. since the relatiosn between those slots are hard coded: the new faction will still gte orders from the senate.

Didn't know that.

Originally Posted by jerby

-leave only the senate, but that will leave tremendous bugs in campaign is guess.

Actually I've played a camapign as the Senate in vanilla adn the only bug I've noticed was this: the 'Senate' tab was still there in the faction info screen, but when i tried to access it the game crashed.So is not such a big bug, but still annoying.

**Sarcasm** · 03-17-2005, 16:35

Originally Posted by jerby

ok, so rome will be with three patriarch-families. at least that what i've read. could somebody give a source about the three families, cause i don't get it.

If you´re talking about EB, you´re wrong. There has been plenty of discussion revolving around this subject but patrician families system with the Brutus, Julius and Scipio, is definitely out of the question.

Last time I heard of this they´re were leaning towards a senate+3 system, and the factions were 'Socii' (Italian Allies) 'Optimates' ('Good Men', kind of Conservative party of time, favoured the interests of the old noble families of Rome) and 'Populares' ('Favouring the People', a kind of Socialist party of the time).

**Drag0nUL** · 03-17-2005, 17:04

One more thing: it would be nice if, once you have proclaimed yourself emperor(conquered Rome and destroyed the other roman factions), your faction changed name into 'The Roman Empire' or something like this