there is a fine line here, and i think some of us are beginning to cross it. this is becoming less of a cry for justice 'let's force CA to do the right thing' and is becoming more of a cry for revenge 'let's hurt them economically because we know we won't be getting another patch' that's perfectly understandable if you guys feel that way, but i don't think the org should be used as your staging ground for your reprisals against CA. create your own forum and hound them from there. i think if things continue along their present course here, threads will begin to be locked and deleted, some patrons will begin complaining about the despotic moderators and eventually people will get banned. all i'm saying is respect the org and what it stands for, and take your war someplace else.