thanx for the pencil tool hint it helped alot but now i have another question(lol im full of Q's today must have too much spare time) i have my own camp map edited but i keep getting an error message(when running with show_err) that tells me that my units i have placed are on invalid tiles. i cant just get rid of them because they r my generals and if i get rid of them the game wont run(no family members). i believe this has something to do with where my units r placed on the camp map at the start. but i dont know wot this is based on so please help!!! is it the x,y values in descr_strat.txt???