are there any good PC Multiplayer FPS games that respect the sniper?

[Navaros]

this is what i really hate about FPS games. in most of them, the devs intentionally make sniper rifles royally suck. just because people who suck at the game would whine about getting owned by snipers if the devs made the sniper rifles be realistic and worth using during actual multiplayer games.

here is a quote from an actual game designer of the Enemy Territory game:

It's a bit of a cliché that 'Realism' is necessarily no fun, but it certainly wasn't any fun to be owned by rifles at long range when you're packing a pistol-calibre SMG and can't even reach them. Also, we wanted the Covert Ops to be a sneaky killer class, not an outright sniper perforating helmets from the other side of the map. So we messed with the accuracies. As with any compromise, the result is a "least-bad" solution rather than a perfectly consistent everyone's-happy outcome. But them's the breaks, alas. : }

i find this disturbing attitude to be prevalent pretty much across the whole industry.

i hear in Call of Duty the sniper rifles were originally good but then the devs patched them into crap due to the mass whinings of people who got killed by snipers.

so i ask you PC FPS multiplayer game enthusiasts: are there any good PC Multiplayer FPS games that respect the sniper?

if not, do you think there are any coming out on the horizon?

this "nerf the sniper" mentality is an outrage and needs to be abolished

[Somebody Else]

Play Operation Flashpoint! It's old now, but still great. Waiting on the second instalment...

[Sir Moody]

You want Red orchestra the mod for UT2004 Sniper rifles are leathally accurate a extreme range and 1 bullet will kill (if u aim right) - then again having said that rifles ar ethe same as well tho harder to aim at range

one of the best features is the mod actually models the proper curve of the Bullet so the Submachine guns have a far shorter effective range - makes gameplay great fun

[Beirut]

I would love to see a sniper game that incorporated real physics, trajectories, wind and mirage.

And anyone thinking they would be making 1000 shots would be in for a big surprise.

[lanky316]

Use the AWP in Counterstrike & CS source, it's ridiculously good. Long range doom on a grand scale.

[Crandaeolon]

America's Army...

Also in Far Cry MP snipers are pretty deadly, I hear.

[Kekvit Irae]

I agree that Operation Flashpoint is the closest thing you are going to get to a realistic sniper enviroment. The weapons are realistic, and the physics cant be beat

[Nelson]

The Day of Defeat mod for Half Life allows for devastating sniping. You do need close support though as most maps permit multiple approaches to a particular position and sniping is a very myopic enterprise.

When an enemy gets in a good spot someone on your own team needs to re-equip as a sniper and take him out when you can’t get close enough by other means.

[Ironside]

i hear in Call of Duty the sniper rifles were originally good but then the devs patched them into crap due to the mass whinings of people who got killed by snipers.

Reminds me of a CoD mp-game me and some friends were having, before we banned it EVERYONE had sniper-rifles and that was only because one guy choosed it (the only one that liked to snipe) and the only way to counter it was to snipe yourself. I'm assuming it was pre-patch.

The problem with FPS and sniping compared to reality is the low numbers of troops. An army with 10%-20% snipers?

There, a rational rant.
AA got good snipers BTW (when I played it last time).

I'm a aggressive lurker myself (too bad on regular combat, gets to boored lurking at the same place and not accurate enough with one-shoot-reload weapons), with a preference for assult rifles.

[Divine Wind]

I agree that Operation Flashpoint is the closest thing you are going to get to a realistic sniper enviroment. The weapons are realistic, and the physics cant be beat

Yep! i agree with that. Plus as its a fairly old game you can buy the gold edition dead cheap. I picked it up for about £15 and that was a year ago.

For an old game it still has a large community of players, and some of the mods are cracking.

[CBR]

At first snipers was completely overpowered in CoD and yes there was lots of complaining. They tuned them down but are still very good and dominate the gameplay way too much IIRC.

If you can run around and in a split second have your scope up and make a headshot from a long distance then I would say snipers are overpowered and unrealistic. And several games are like that.


CBR

[Shambles]

Personaly i advize you go and buy a copy of delta force 2,
Its a old game but still has a good following and plenty of online players,

there are lots of sniper only games and i still play delta force 2, id like to see more snipres =) I love following then then stabbing them in the back

[Navaros]

thx for the advice, everyone

i might as well check out America's Army since it's free

i'll keep my eyes open for Operation Flashpoint too

how is the voice-acting in America's Army? the single thing i hated the most about Enemy Territory is the fake German accents. they really grate on my nerves and are incredibly obnoxious.

is there any bad voice-acting in America's Army?