new trigger for Marian reforms?

**frogbeastegg** · 03-21-2005, 18:16

Again, busy frog needing something for her guide. My mind has gone a complete blank; what are the new conditions for the Marian reforms in 1.2? A date in addition to the imperial palace, I think ....

Thanks.

**m4rt14n** · 03-21-2005, 18:28

1. Year has to be at least 210 BC. But can go up until 190's BC b4 the reform starts
2. A city that has the hidden_resource italy has to build up until Huge City. Basically any city in the italian penninsula.

**frogbeastegg** · 03-21-2005, 18:37

Thank you.

**B1ueBa11** · 03-21-2005, 18:42

Thats why it took so long to get the reforms. My palace must have been built in BC 220~ and I was wondering what the heck was keeping the reforms from coming along.

**m4rt14n** · 03-21-2005, 19:26

its kind of a mixed blessings. U get to field pre marian troops longer, but basically u get 20-30 turns of boredom before the marian reforms hit. Most of my games gets decided by 220 bc :(

**Old Celt** · 03-21-2005, 20:17

I believe the date is 220 BC not 210BC. I got the reforms in 217 BC in a post 1.2 patch game.

**Craterus** · 03-21-2005, 20:19

after my Marian reforms i missed my Triarii but Hastati are useless compared to post-marian troops...
then again, you get the might urban cohort after the reforms!!

**m4rt14n** · 03-21-2005, 20:44

yes its 220, my memory is bad. sorry.

**Selway** · 03-21-2005, 21:45

If you want the Marius Reforms to come more quickly, you can always edit your desc_strat.txt file so that you start the game at around -240 or so.

**AntiochusIII** · 03-21-2005, 21:57

Originally Posted by Selway

If you want the Marius Reforms to come more quickly, you can always edit your desc_strat.txt file so that you start the game at around -240 or so.

Does it work?

**m4rt14n** · 03-21-2005, 22:07

Not from wat i've heard. I think ppl did some tests and they found out that it's the amoun t of turns passed not the exact date that triggers it.

Then again I might be wrong here also.

**player1** · 03-22-2005, 09:01

So it is at least 100 turns after the beggining of the game?

EDIT:
Although I did a different trick to get them early.
Instead of changing date in descr_strat.txt, I added a script in it, with "console_command date -220" (and thus skip turns, not change date of starting turn). Of course there is still random factor and need of imperial palace.

By the way, hidden_resource itally includes, exempt starting provinves, both italy gaul provinces, as well as whole sicily, although I never really tested that condition.

EDIT2:
Also imperial palace needs to be by one of roman non-senate faction (I tried some testing).