Quote Originally Posted by Sjakihata
Toga Im sorry for my late reply.

I know what you say, when you say spirituality and I indeed think that our view of somethings are not that different, indeed very similar, or so it seems.

I think you misunderstood me, when I said frightning. What I meant was this: If you are able to see/realize the truth it is jolly good. But if humans exposed to the truth do not see or realize it, then I say, it would be frightning, as how are we then to see it?


And I reckognize your lines about nature vs. the city. In fact, from my newest trip to Nepal - when I returned back I felt so fill and yet in a way very empty to be exposed to the daily trivals and the weekly cycle. At any rate, in that moment in which I lived in Nepal I felt alive, Im not sure whether I was close to the truth - but I had a good time and I thought of things which I normally do not ponder.

About spiritualism. Since Im young I have not fully settled whether I belive the truth is something to be achieved through meditation and the more spiritual endeavours, this I believe less - I resort more to logic and the scientific approach, especially logic. However, I do know that this might be a symptom of illness of my generation - this is why I state that I do not yet know at path truth is to be found. At any rate, perhaps the path is not so important, like the old saying: all paths lead to the top of the mountain.
I find it sad, not frightening. And not sad in a condescending way. But perhaps questing for it in our own way is the real purpose of why we are here. I believe so. How are we to see it? Well, at this point I have no idea, but what I have surmised from my studies is that, to realize it, we have to use different "methods" that those to which we are accustomed, hence my belief that eyes and brain and logic/reasoning are not the Way, at least, in and of themselves.

Was it not the great prophet, Spock of Vulcan, who said it is "one step beyond logic?"

The sufi refer to "veils" that cloud our minds to Truth, that began forming the instant we were born into this material world. Buddhists speak of attachments, and desires. Both suggest that a key element in enabling one to perceive Truth is to overcome these, to free ourselves from the "chains" they represent. I have found this to be exceptionally difficult.

When I spoke of feeling closer to Truth after spending an extended period of time in the wilderness alone, it is because the grip of my attachments and desires (money, power, success, status--all the worldly things that seem so important at times) faded somewhat as I immersed myself in the natural world. It changes my perspective drastically (but only when I spend a long time away; shedding the detritus built up over years and years is no small thing). I have been trekking since age 8, and it is only recently that I realized, for myself, why I felt so good after spending an extended amount of time up in my favorite places.

Each of us has our own path to follow up "the mountain." There is no one way, I think. But there is, I believe, one destination. O'Sensei said that the Way itself is the key. He was a great man, and I have found nothing in his teachings to dispute. Because he was a warrior, his description of the Way helped me to fit the warrior in me into this big picture. The others did not put the warrior way into a perspective that fit, for me. In another thread the need to find a healthy way to channel "violence" was mentioned. This is the Way that speaks to me fiercely.

I think you are right in that the path is not so important. That you are on your Way is all that matters. I think it would be good never to become "fully settled," for this suggests a fixed attachment, and closes the door to insight that further experience and thoughtfulness can bring. Instead, I think it's best to just keep walking and observing, and pondering, and then ... no-thing. Perhaps it will eventually bring you to what you seek. This is my hope, for all of us who are on our Way.

Perplexing though ... a recent fellow who seemed exceptionally wise in these matters suggested that I stop seeking. I am still trying to wrap my no-brain around that .

Thank you for the opportunity talk about this. It is a subject very dear to me.