XVI-XVII research
Please post there information about provinces e.g. income, trade goods,
resources, titles ( stats and why), religion.
+ You can add titles for certain factions ( linked to buildings)- what stats and why, what building and why.
BUT NO UNITS, PLEASE.
Regards Hetman
Crimean Khanate
Titles
Loyalty
Acumen
Dread
Command
Piety
- - - - -
Kalgay - traditionally the younger brother of Khan would bear this title, the bearer was recognized as a crown prince
- - - - -
L 1
A 1
D 1
C 1
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Nureddin - the Khan's son (or his youngest brother) would bear this title, the bearer was recognized as the second crown prince
- - - - -
L 1
A 1
D 1
C 1
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Ser Asker Sultan of Kuban - governor and military commander of Kuban province, elected by his tribe
- - - - -
L 0
A 0
D 3
C 2
P 0
building: Master Horse Breeder
- - - - -
Ser Asker Sultan of Bucak - governor and military commander of Bucak province, elected by his tribe
- - - - -
L 0
A 0
D 3
C 2
P 0
building: Master Horse Breeder
- - - - -
Ser Asker Sultan of Yedisan - governor and military commander of Yedisan province, elected by his tribe
- - - - -
L 0
A 0
D 3
C 2
P 0
building: Master Horse Breeder
- - - - -
Tyryn Bei - a kind of chancellor
- - - - -
L 1
A 0
D 2
C 3
P 0
building: Chancellary
- - - - -
Aktacy Bei - a kind of constable
- - - - -
L 1
A 0
D 2
C 2
P 0
building: Constable's Palace
- - - - -
Ulug Aga - crimean version of turkish Vizier title, considered the most important minister and representative of the Khan
- - - - -
L 4
A 1
D 2
C 2
P 0
building: Marshall's Palace
- - - - -
Effendi of Divan - a kind of chamberlain
- - - - -
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Grand Mufti of Bahcesaray - a title corresponding in its stats to Archbishop title
- - - - -
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 4
building: Grand Mosque
- - - - -
Names
Dawlat Girai
Islam Girai
Mohammed Girai
Ghazi Girai
Sahib Girai
Fath Girai
Selim Girai
Salamat Girai
Janibeg Girai
Hajji Girai
Bahadur Girai
Murad Girai
Adil Girai
Saadat Girai
Nur Dawlat Girai
Mengli Girai
-------------------> all above names are royal
Dawlat Mirza
Islam Mirza
Mohammed Mirza
Ghazi Mirza
Sahib Mirza
Fath Mirza
Selim Mirza
Salamat Mirza
Janibeg Mirza
Hajji Mirza
Bahadur Mirza
Murad Mirza
Adil Mirza
Saadat Mirza
Nur Dawlat Mirza
Mengli Mirza
Hajji Mirza
Inayat Mirza
Haidar Mirza
Shahin Mirza
Maqsud Mirza
Qaplan Mirza
-------------------> the highest aristocracy
Jabbar Bei
Berdi Bei
Urus Bei
Timur Bei
Keldibeg Bei
Khidr Bei
Sahib Bei
Hajji Bei
Saadat Bei
Inayat Bei
Haidar Bei
Mengli Bei
Adil Bei
Maqsud Bei
Shahin Bei
Dawlat Bei
Nur Dawlat Bei
Qaplan Bei
Kirim Bei
Halim Bei
Arslan Bei
Safa Bei
Tokhtamish Bei
Ahmad Bei
Sayyid Bei
Murtada Bei
Azia Bei
Tuhai Bei
Murid Bei
Abdullah Bei
Pulad Bei
Jalaluddin Bei
Kebeg Bei
Shadibeg Bei
Islam Bei
Ibrim Bei
Bulak Bei
Set Bei
Sejt Bei
Khazan Bei
Orda Bei
Selim Bei
Kirman Bei
Udai Bei
Canbek Bei
Emin Bei
Yavuz Bei
Tolui Bei
Hafsa Bei
Yalbak Bei
Uluh Bei
Sahin Bei
Sefer Bei
Cirmit Bei
Kasim Bei
Pursuant Bei
Yadigar Bei
Canybuyluk Bei
Azak Bei
Kasim Bei
Mahmud Bei
Dervish Bei
Saray Bei
Halil Bei
Ibrahim Bei
Dalyan Bei
Nurdewlet Bei
Satilgan Bei
Abadai Bei
Avgan Bei
Ismail Bei
Abur Bei
Ata Bei
Kara Bei
Hatab Bei
Mukhrak Bei
Ali Ismail Bei
Mustafa Bei
Suleyman Bei
Kantimir Bei
Rubai Bei
Temruk Bei
Temilik Bei
Kazman Bei
Djiragei Bei
Azainet Bei
Azamel Bei
Bairas Bei
Ghazi Bei
Berkei Bei
Ahmad Bei
Selim Ahmad Bei
Nughai Bei
Kipchak Bei
Masud Bei
Yalbay Bei
Qayit Bei
Kilij Bei
Faraj Bei
Shaban Bei
Inal Bei
Lachin Bei
Jaqmaq Bei
Kujuk Bei
Aybak Bei
Kuchuk Bei
Qansawh Bei
Khalil Bei
Mirsaid Bei
Khazbii Bei
-------------------> tribal nobility
Jabbar Aga
Berdi Aga
Urus Aga
Timur Aga
Keldibeg Aga
Khidr Aga
Sahib Aga
Hajji Aga
Saadat Aga
Inayat Aga
Haidar Aga
Mengli Aga
Adil Aga
Maqsud Aga
Shahin Aga
Dawlat Aga
Nur Dawlat Aga
Qaplan Aga
Kirim Aga
Halim Aga
Arslan Aga
Safa Aga
Tokhtamish Aga
Ahmad Aga
Sayyid Aga
Murtada Aga
Azia Aga
Tuhai Aga
Murid Aga
Abdullah Aga
Pulad Aga
Jalaluddin Aga
Kebeg Aga
Shadibeg Aga
Islam Aga
Ibrim Aga
Bulak Aga
Set Aga
Sejt Aga
Khazan Aga
Orda Aga
Selim Aga
Kirman Aga
Udai Aga
Canbek Aga
Emin Aga
Yavuz Aga
Tolui Aga
Hafsa Aga
Yalbak Aga
Uluh Aga
Sahin Aga
Sefer Aga
Cirmit Aga
Kasim Aga
Pursuant Aga
Yadigar Aga
Canybuyluk Aga
Azak Aga
Kasim Aga
Mahmud Aga
Dervish Aga
Saray Aga
Halil Aga
Ibrahim Aga
Dalyan Aga
Nurdewlet Aga
Satilgan Aga
Abadai Aga
Avgan Aga
Ismail Aga
Abur Aga
Ata Aga
Kara Aga
Hatab Aga
Mukhrak Aga
Ali Ismail Aga
Mustafa Aga
Suleyman Aga
Kantimir Aga
Rubai Aga
Temruk Aga
Temilik Aga
Kazman Aga
Djiragei Aga
Azainet Aga
Azamel Aga
Bairas Aga
Ghazi Aga
Berkei Aga
Ahmad Aga
Selim Ahmad Aga
Nughai Aga
Kipchak Aga
Masud Aga
Yalbay Aga
Qayit Aga
Kilij Aga
Faraj Aga
Shaban Aga
Inal Aga
Lachin Aga
Jaqmaq Aga
Kujuk Aga
Aybak Aga
Kuchuk Aga
Qansawh Aga
Khalil Aga
Mirsaid Aga
Khazbii Aga
-------------------> lesser military commanders
No surnames.
Regards,
EC
Edit1:I'll be updating this post later -----> eg. stats for office titles.
Edit2:Added statistics.
Edit3:Added building associations.
1. If you need any further explanations for the provided stats, i can provide them. I just didn't want to go too much into details.Originally Posted by [b
2. What buildings there will be? Since there's no (finalized) tech tree for buildings yet, no links to buildings (yet).
Regards,
EC
Use the present tecHtree, although non-producers if possible+ royal court, estate, baronial court and so on.Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ June 01 2004,12:32)]1. If you need any further explanations for the provided stats, i can provide them. I just didn't want to go too much into details.
2. What buildings there will be? Since there's no (finalized) tech tree for buildings yet, no links to buildings (yet).
Regards,
EC
Thanks
Hetman
Just about buildings and unit-building:
Encamisados should be allowed to be produced as soon as arquebusiers are. And arquebusiers should be available even if musketeers are available, coz they are excellent skirmishing troops.
Another thing: Some provs at this stage were famous for their iron, such as Damascus or Toledo, are we going to give them asy special bonuses?
Regards.
SM
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Yes, I think so, but probably rather to income.
Hetman
Polish Office Titles
- - - - -
Hetman Wielki Koronny Royal Grand Hetman
L 3
A 0
D 1
C 3
P 0
building: Military Academy
- - - - -
Hetman Polny Koronny Royal Field Hetman
L 2
A 0
D 1
C 2
P 0
building: Constable's Palace
- - - - -
Hetman Wielki Litewski Lithuanian Grand Hetman
L 3
A 0
D 1
C 3
P 0
building: Military Academy
- - - - -
Hetman Polny Litewski Lithuanian Field Hetman
L 2
A 0
D 1
C 2
P 0
building: Constable's Palace
- - - - -
Marszalek Wielki Litewski Lithuanian Grand Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Marshall's Palace
- - - - -
Marszalek Nadworny Litewski Lithuanian Court Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Kanclerz Wielki Litewski Lithuanian Grand Chancellor
L 2
A 3
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Chancellary
- - - - -
Marszalek Wielki Koronny Royal Grand Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Marshall's Palace
- - - - -
Marszalek Nadworny Koronny Royal Court Marshall
L 2
A 2
D 0
C 0
P 0
building: Royal Palace
- - - - -
Kanclerz Wielki Koronny Royal Grand Chancellor
L 2
A 3
D 0
C 1
P 0
building: Chancellary
- - - - -
Regards,
EC
Great work EC
It seems this is going to be the first mod which uses so many titles, or actually more than in the vanilla MTW
I have suggestions, though.
First of all - the Hetmans - they are too powerful I think ( 3 command)
I implemented the titles to the NTW and I decided to use command 2 for Grand Hetmans and command 1 for field ones, in addition I added 1 point of acumen forr all of them - they were supposed to be rich enough to provide some cash for recruitment untill the Sejm provided money from wartime-taxes.
And I have two more ideas
1. replace the Archbishop of Krakow with Prymas and Interrex of Poland from 'high'.
L - 1
A - 2
D - 1
C - 0
P - 3
2. add Marszalek of Sejm of Rzeczypospolita
L - 4
A - 1
I think we need to use some political structures ( Parliament fot example) - this way some countries would be democratic, tolerant, absolutic or despothic for example.
BTW - I don't think we should give Admirality to Poland.
Hetman
Russian names and titles for that period of history.
// russian forenames
[Sviatopolk] {Ivan} // names
[Ysevolod] {Vasiliy} //
[Yuri] {Fiodor} // of
[Mikhail] {Mikhail} //
[Aleksei] {Aleksey} // tsars
[Andrei] {Boris} //
[Bolda] {Igor}
[Boris] {Andrey}
[Buiak] {Gleb}
[Chernek] {Piotr}
[Chort] {Alexandr}
[Dmitrii] {Dmitriy}
[Domaslav] {Kirill}
[Domazhir] {Yuriy}
[Drozd] {Afanasiy}
[Grechin] {Martyn}
[Grigorii] {Grigoriy}
[Guba] {Malyuta}
[Iosif] {Yakov}
[Ivan] {Makar}
[Kisel] {Kuzma}
[Kozel] {Simeon}
[Kuritsa] {Konstantin}
[Maksim] {Maksim}
[Mal] {Iliya}
[Mil] {Pafnutiy}
[Miloslav] {Danila}
[Miroslav] {Savva}
[Mixail] {Nilolay}
[Nezhek] {Elisey}
[Nikita] {Nikita}
[Orekh] {Oleg}
[Pavel] {Pavel}
[Radoslav] {Gavrila}
[Sbyslav] {Foma}
[Shchuka] {Efim}
[Shuba] {Kondrat}
[Sidor] {Sidor}
[Stanimir] {Frol}
[Stepan] {Stepan}
[Tvorimir] {Ermak}
[Vasilii] {Emelian}
[Vladimir] {Vladimir}
[Voislav] {Ignat}
[Volchok] {Prokhor}
[Yaroslav] {Timofey}
[Zaiats] {Demian}
[Zavid] {Luka}
[Zhiroslav] {Erofey}
[Zhiznobud] {Zakhar}
[Zub] {Roman}
// russian surnames
//surnames of heirs became generals:
//Ryurikovich - XV-XVI centuries
//Romanov - XVII century
[Alekseev] {Alekseev}
[Andreev] {Andreev}
[Boldin] {Boldin}
[Buiakov] {Kurbskiy}
[Chernekov] {Vorotynskiy}
[Chortov] {Chort}
[Dmitriev] {Dmitriev}
[Domaslavov] {Gryazniy}
[Domazhirov] {Glinskiy}
[Drozdov] {Drozdov}
[Grechinov] {Grechin}
[Grigoriev] {Grigoriev}
[Gubin] {Gubin}
[Iecifovich] {Fiodorov}
[Ivanov] {Ivanov}
[Ivanovich] {Shuyskiy}
[Kiselev] {Kiselev}
[Kozlov] {Kozlov}
[Kuritsev] {Kuritsa}
[Kuz'mich] {Golitsyn}
[Maksimov] {Maksimov}
[Malov] {Skopin-Shuyskiy}
[Mikhailovich] {Adashev}
[Miloslavov] {Tatishchev}
[Milov] {Milov}
[Miroslavov] {Krivoy}
[Nezhkov] {Chorniy}
[Nikitin] {Nikitin}
[Orekhov] {Orekhov}
[Pavlov] {Pavlov}
[Radoslavov] {Rubliov}
[Sbyslavov] {Sanin}
[Semenov] {Semenov}
[Shchukin] {Shchuka}
[Shubin] {Shubin}
[Sidorov] {Sidorov}
[Stanimirov] {Basmanov}
[Stepanov] {Stepanov}
[Tvorimirov] {Frolov}
[Vasilievich] {Peresvetov}
[Voislavov] {Savin}
[Volchkov] {Godunov}
[Zaitsev] {Pozharskiy}
[Zakhariev] {Naryshkin}
[Zavidov] {Mstislavskiy}
[Zhiroslavov] {Fedosov}
[Zhiznobudov] {Minin}
[Zubov] {Zubov}
Female Russian names:
Anastasiya
Anna
Antonina
Ekaterina
Elena
Elizaveta
Epifaniya
Evdokiya
Efrosiniya
Irina
Klavdiya
Kseniya
Mariya
Nataliya
Olga
Praskoviya
Sofiya
Svetlana
Tatiyana
Zoya
Title of Russian king:
early period - Grand Prince
middle and late periods - Tsar (since 1547)
official title - Tsar Vseya Rusi (Tsar of All Russia)
Title of Russian governors - Voevoda (for example, Voevoda of Ryazan)
Titles of Russian offices:
[Chamberlain of the Great Palace] {Diak Dvortsovogo prikaza}
[Grand Warder of the Kremlin] {Diak Kazanskogo prikaza}
[Grand Marshal] {Diak Razryadnogo prikaza}
[Chancellor Of All The Russias] {Diak Posolskogo prikaza}
[Metropolitan of Moscow] {Metropolit Moskovskiy} // for for medium and late period {Patriarkh Moskovskiy i Vseya Rusi}
doesnt Voyevoda look better for the actual russian pronunciation?
Another question:
Wasnt the Tsar called something like Tsar i velikiy knyaz vsea Velikiya i Malya i Belyya Rusi ?
gee its hard to write in english.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
etc
You don't really need to translate old names, simply list the new ones, as there will be new name lists for this mod, and not translations of old names.
I think so too, BTW, Polish provinces should get Voyevodas as their governors as well.
Regards,
EC
No. Voevoda is right for Russian language. Voyevoda is Polish word maybe.
Yes. The real official title of Russian king was something like Velikiy Gosudar tsar i Velikiy knyaz vseya Velikiya i Maliya i Beliya Rusi, etc, etc, etc... (there were titles of different regions included in Russian state). There was very long list of that regions. So it will be better to use short title in the game.
Russian coins of that time had legend Tsar i Velikiy Knayz Vseya Rusi. It could be used in the game. But I'm afraid this inscription will not fit ingame windows. So the final title could be just Tsar Vseya Rusi.
Ok, there comes a list of rebellious provinces rated 1-5 where 1 is little rebellious and 5 is the most rebellious.
The provs are the ones from the vanilla MTW map.
Aragon 2
Portugal 4
Naples 1
Sicily 1
Malta 1
Palestine 1
Scotland 3
Ireland 5
Flanders 4
Livonia 4
Poland 2
Prussia 1
Krym 2
Khazar 2
Georgia 2
Morocco 1
Thats pretty much it, I think. As always open to suggestions/modifications.
Regards.
@Dead Moroz: The pronunciation of e in english is different from the e in russian thats why I suggested Voyevoda, but if You think it is right, thats ok with me.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Is not. Polish word would be Wojewoda.
Well, I understand what your point is, but the problem is that e letter in Voevoda doesn't phonetically resemble Cyrillic e letter/sound.
Regards,
EC
Why Krym? I think names of provinces should be either in their English spelling (so Crimea for this one) or we can use local names. Crimea was Tatar province, and in Tatar (language) its name is Kirim.
And as for other rebellious provinces, I propose:
Kiev 3 (numerous Cossack uprisings)
Pereyaslavl 2 (same as above)
Serbia 2 (because of Monte Negro and Venetian possessions on the coast)
Regards,
EC
You are right. Its just that Ive been discussing about russian voevodas in the previous post Ive written, so I was still kinda thinking in russian.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ June 08 2004,20:29)]Ok, there comes a The pronunciation of e in english is different from the e in russian thats why I suggested Voyevoda, but if You think it is right, thats ok with me.
Title:
Lettre de Marque
attached to: port
L: 2
C: 1
D: 1
Generic kind of title
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Dutch Titles
Gouverneur Generaal van de V.O.C. Governeur of the East India company
Raadspensionaris Grand pensionary
Admiraal Generaal Admiral
Advocaat van Holland Protector of Holland
For provinces Stadthouder or Count.
It can be generic, but you can have different name for each faction. It'd be strange to have an Ottoman general bearing the title of Lettre de Marque, don't you think?
So what would be their stats, bonuses?
Soon I'm going to post here a polish names list. It's going to be a looong post.
IDEA
To anyone out there completing some name list for this mod: get as many names as you can (but lets say not more than 300 for big factions).
I think it'd be more interesting to have such a variety. What do you think?
Regards,
EC
ok:
French: Lettre de Marque
Spanish: Patente de Corso
English: Letter of Marque
Italian: Lettera di marque
Dont know for the rest of the languages.
You mean names and surnames and such for generals?
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
The more the better
Sadly I can´t any longer contribute fore this mod, because I´m leaving the university for the summer and I don´t have any internet connection at home.
I mean firstnames and surnames. There's I think no purpose in extending princesses list, or royal names list.
Regards,
EC
Polish names
forenames:
Stefan
Zygmunt
Aleksander
Wladyslaw
Jan Kazimierz
Jan
Kazimierz
Stanislaw
Michal
Henryk
--------------------all above names are royal
Adam
Aleksander
Andrzej
Anzelm
Bartlomiej
Benedykt
Bernard
Bogdan
Dominik
Dymitr
Eliasz
Ernest
Fedor
Gabriel
Hieronim
Iwan
Jakub
Jan Chryzostom
Jan Gratus
Jan Jerzy
Jan Karol
Jan Klemens
Jan Pawel
Jan Piotr
Jan Samuel
Janusz
Kasper
Kosma
Krzysztof
Lew
Ludwik
Lukasz
Maciej
Maksymilian
Michal Kazimierz
Mikolaj
Pawel
Pawel Jozef
Piotr
Remigiusz
Roch
Roman
Samuel
Stanislaw
Szczesny
Taras
Teodor
Teofil
Tomasz
Waclaw
Walenty
Wasyl
Wincenty
Wojciech
surnames:
- royal surnames;
Jagiellon - early period
Vasa - high period
Sobieski - late period
- common surnames;
Abramowicz
Adamowicz
Alamani
Aleksandrowicz
Albrycht
Arciszewski
Bartolan
Baruchowski
Bidzinski
Bilhorodek
Borkowski
Boruchowski
Branicki
Bunak
Chmielowski
Chodkiewicz
Chrzanowski
Chwalibog
Cikowski
Czaplinski
Czarniecki
Czartoryski
Czechowski
Czecowski
Dabrowa
Dalmat
Dembinski
Denhoff
Dorohostajski
Drohojowski
Drucki- Sokolinski
Dunikowski
Dydynski
Dzialynski
Dzik
Farenholtz
Farensbach
Fedorowicz
Felicki
Firlej
Fleger
Fromhold
Gabriel
Gniazdowski
Godlewski
Golcz
Gorecki
Gosiewski
Goslawski
Grazewski
Grodzicki
Gromadzki
Guldenstern
Haraburda
Herburt
Hlinski
Hornowski
Horodenko
Horwatt
Hulewicz
Jablonowski
Jazlowiecki
Judycki
Jugoszewski
Jung
Kacki
Kalinowski
Kamieniecki
Karaczon
Karnkowski
Katski
Kazanowski
Kettler
Kietlicz
Kiszka
Kleczkowski
Klicki
Kobylecki
Koniecpolski
Korff
Korycki
Koscielecki
Kossakowski
Kozubski
Krasinski
Krzyczewski
Kryczynski
Kuroszy
Lacki
Lanckoronski
Lasko
Lastowski
Lazinski
Lesniewski
Leszczynski
Linkowicz
Lipski
Lisowski
Loboda
Lubomirski
Lubowicki
Luckiewicz
Mankowski
Marchocki
Maskiewicz
Mellechowicz
Michajlowicz
Michalski
Mielecki
Mielnicki
Mierzejewski
Milaszewski
Mojslawski
Motowidlo
Myszkowski
Naruszewicz
Niewiarowski
Nonhard
Noskowski
Nowomiejski
Obalkowski
Oginski
Ossolinski
Ostrogski
Ostromecki
Ostrorog
Otrebus
Otwinowski
Ozga
Pac
Pasek
Piaskowski
Pielgrzymowski
Plettenberg
Porycki
Potocki
Pretwicz
Pruszkowski
Przeremski
Przyjemski
Przylecki
Radoszewski
Radziminski
Radziwill
Ramel
Ritchwan
Rogawski
Ross
Rozynski
Rusinowski
Ruszkowski
Sapieha
Sawula
Serebkowicz
Sewruk
Siemaszko
Siemiakowicz
Skrzetuski
Slawecki
Sobieski
Sokolowski
Solkowski
Soltyk
Spodzialowski
Stabrowski
Stadnicki
Starzynski
Staszkowski
Strojnowski
Strus
Suderman
Sulimski
Suliszowski
Sulkowski
Szemberg
Szemiot
Szolomski
Talwosz
Tarasowski
Tarlo
Tarnowski
Trzebinski
Tuszynski
Tyzenhauz
Wall
Warszycki
Wasilewski
Weyher
Wierzynski
Wilczkowski
Wisniowiecki
Wiszowaty
Witting
Wizgird
Wojna
Woropaj
Wrangel
Wroblewski
Wysokinski
Zaba
Zamoyski
Zarski
Zawadzki
Zbaraski
Zborowski
Zebrzydowski
Zejma
Zeromski
Zielinski
Zienowicz
Zlotnicki
Zolkiewski
Zorawinski
Completing this list wouldn't be possible without the help from Robert from Polish MTW forum. Thank you.
I'll add princesses' names later, but there won't be many (up to 20).
Regards,
EC
Gouverneur Generaal van de V.O.C. Governeur of the East India company
Lots of acumen en some loyalty en maybe some dread.
Admiraal Generaal Admiral
Command and loyalty
Advocaat van Holland Protector of Holland
Loyalty en some acumen
just thought of a new one: Veldmaarschalk Field Marschall
Lots of command
Ok, spanish names:
First names
Andrés
Antonio
Alejandro
Alfonso
Alberto
Alonso
Adolfo (usually used in compound names)
Gerardo
Luis
Ignacio
Jose
Juan
Felipe
Carlos
Alfredo
Ildefonso
Miguel
Diego
Iker
Íñigo
Francisco
Mario
Gaspar
Javier
Xavier
Pedro
Pablo
Santiago
Tirso
Rafael
Esteban
Joan
Ramón
Enrique
Jorge
Daniel
Lope
Tomás
Fernando
Abel
Abelardo
Agostin
Alvaro
Arcadio
Armando
Bartolomé
Bautista
Benito
Benjamín
Bernardo
Calisto
Cesar
Camilo
Cándido
Dionisio
Domingo
Edmundo
Eduardo
Eleuterio
Emanuel
Emilio
Enzo
Ernesto
Félix
Ferrán
Fidel
Franco
Héctor
Honorio
Inocencio
Jacinto
Jaime
Joaquin
Justo
Lázaro
León
Lorenzo
Lucas
Lucio
Lluis (2 LL)
Manuel
Martín
Nicolás
Octavio
Raúl
Roberto
Rodrogo
Rodolfo
Raimundo
Valiente
Vasco
Vicente
Victor
These names are from Navarre (they can be french as well)
Aitor
Aimay
Ahostar
Andoni
Batzi
Baiardo
Blasko
Elordi
Erdain
Gaizka
Garat
Gorka
Goratz
Iñaki
Josu
Julen
Kismi
Kirru
Koldo
Tello
Prontxo
Sastoi
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Spanish surnames:
Lopez
Perez
Fernandez
Gonzalez
Rodriguez
Martinez
Torres
Gomez
Santana
Cascales
Fuentes
Ramirez
Sevilla
Sabrino
Sevillano
Prieto
Gutierrez
Peña
Benito
Velasco
Cadarso
Aguirre
Balboa
Cruz
Tenorio
Reverte
Velazquez
Padilla
Téllez
Vega
García
Nuñez
Ruiz
Yáñez
Quiñones
Godoy
Díaz
Suárez
Pacheco
Álvarez
Mengo
Barragán
Arias
Mata
Mexía
Sanz
March
Soler
Marchena
Baraja
Zubizarreta
Etxeberria
Blazquez
Castro
Rueda
Dehesa
Contreras
Benavente
Hera
Molina
Obregón
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The surnames above are VERY common.
The ones below are more rare/noble ones
Guzmán
Mendoza
Navas
Carpio
Góngora
Alquézar
Quevedo
Gonzaga
de la Marca
Pastrana
Alba
Barberini
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General notes:
In Spain, from the XIIth century everyone used 2 surnames, the father´s and the mother´s one. Needless to say that the married woman DIDNT adopt the husband surname but kept her own.
So say Pedro Martinez de la Hera marries Maria Fuentes Gonzalez
Their children will be: Name Martinez Fuentes.
Also, an incredible abount of surnames comes from cities, towns, etc. To reflect this, the de is added t the surname.
So Jose Torres de Segovia is a perfectly valid name (Segovia is a city in Spain, NW of Madrid).
Note also that these surnames that originated from places are ALWAYS the SECOND surname.
Of course, when someone received a title, usually that would substitute their surname.
So if Jose Torres de Segovia is made Duke of Toledo, he will become Don Jose de Toledo.
The Don is a treatment of respect, only given to nobles in this timeframe.
BTW, in spain, everyone who fought for the King was considered hidalgo i.e. lesser noble without land or title. So its perfectly sensible to make all officers and generals as Don Name surname1 surname2.
Thats all for now.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
Title: Lagman of Finland
L: 2 (anyone given a position of power becomes more loyal)
P: 0
D: 2 (Finns have historically had rather harsh rulers, hence the dread)
A: 0
I believe we could add our own names to the lists - why not ?
EC Your surname is quite old I believe so You should add this to the list. You could do the same with my name as well - it is an old name from polish szlachta living in Ukraine at that time.
One more thing - Sobieski, Wisniowiecki and even Zamoyski could be added to the royal surnames list.
SWORDMASTER
Lettre de Marque who was this guy generally - we can find suitable translations, but I believe not every faction should be given this title.
Regards Hetman
Ok, I can do that.
Well, they certainly deserve it, but there can be only ONE royal surname per era. What is more in the timeframe of this mod Jagiellon dynasty ruled 1480-1572 (92 years), and Vasa dynasty 1587-1668 (81 years) that's why I think they have to be there. Jagiellon dynasty ruled during what we call early era, Vasa ruled most of what is here high era, plus 20 years in late. So for late I think we may either make Sobieski (22 years reign) or Wisniowiecki (only 4 years reign) a royal name (I'd prefer Sobieski, as M.K.Wisniowiecki wasn't a particularly good ruler and his reign was a very short one).
So I propose:
era (years of this era) - royal surname (years in which this family reigned during this era)
early (1480-1572) - Jagiellon (1480-1572)
high (1572-1648) - Vasa (1587-1648)
late (1648-1700) - Sobieski (1674-1696)
Regards,
EC
This title was the one that was given to bucaneers (pirates) to make them corsairs, i.e. to make them legitimate naval commanders against a certain enemy in times of war.
a privateer authorized to cruise against the enemy (dictionary.com)
The bearer of the title received all the advantages of a legitimate officer, but he woud have to pay 20% of his loot to the nation he was fighting for.
BTW, I did include my own surname in the list
It is from the XIII century anyway, so it is even legitimate.
I also forgot to include the royal surnames:
It was Habsburg from 1515 onwards (IIRC), and Trastámara before that date.
Alittle bit off topic, I was reading something about the emperor Charles, and found something that isnt directly related to the mod, but you might find it interesting:
Before the battle of Pavia in which the french king was captured, Charles defied him to a duel. He said that there was no point in killing hundreds of people and if the french king would be considerate enough as to resolve their differences in personal combat.
The french refused.
Managing perceptions goes hand in hand with managing expectations - Masamune
Pie is merely the power of the state intruding into the private lives of the working class. - Beirut
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