Whats numidia and armenia

[Abokasee]

so whats new for armenia and numidia?? heh

[Proper Gander]

i desperately want to be the first to make a clever comment on your sig.

but i am not CLEVER.

[Abokasee]

Some One Post Here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cunctator]

Numidia is currently not an active faction, until CA makes it possible for the EB team to add more factions. It`s repalced with the Greaco-baktrians.

[Proper Gander]

i would like to point out that the effect of the word idiots is lessened if you spell it IDOITS.

also, these forums aren't visited as frequently as others, be patient.

[Sarcasm]

What kind of question is that anyway?

[khelvan]

Numidia is currently not an active faction, until CA makes it possible for the EB team to add more factions. It`s repalced with the Greaco-baktrians.

We replaced it with Baktria.

[Steppe Merc]

Greaco-baktrians

That's RTR's name, not ours.

[Urnamma]

RTR's wrong name.

[caesar44]

We replaced it with Baktria.

1. why ?
2. who will be the opponent of carthage in north africa ?
3. why ?
4. why ?
5. what about realism and history ?
6. where are massinisa , gullusa , iogurtha ?
7. why ?

[Ranika]

Carthage's great enemy was Rome, not Numidia. What is Numidia's real importance? Their soldiers often worked for Rome and Carthage, and did near nothing on their own that can't be represented just as easily as rebels and regional units. Baktria became a significant eastern power. Baktria became far too significant in the events of the east to disclude them in favor of a faction that's only true significance was service to two actual major powers. What real major events were orchestrated by Numidia itself, or massive trade endeavors? To whom were they a real threat or major obstacle? Every faction in provides a fill to having been a major enemy or ally of world powers of the period. Our western European/African factions include Romans, Gauls, Britons, Carthage, Iberians, and Germans; the major players if the area. Rome for clearly obvious reasons, Carthage as well should be obvious, the Gauls, Iberians, and Germans were all major enemies of Rome, and propagated extremely important parts of what would develop into being 'western society', the British islanders were some of the most prolific traders in Europe (trading tin, silver, dyes, linen, etc.) with numerous major powers in the mediterranean, and were a complex grouping of 5 cultures (not 1); that is harder to represent than Numidians, which are a single culture, and easier to represent with a few regional units. Britons are arguably the least important faction we've selected in the period, but I'd still vouch for them over Numidians; Britons at least accomplished a modest amount of unifying expansion. Numidians were ancilliaries; side players of the stage of ensuing events, rarely accomplishing anything themselves. Perhaps we should include Ligurians? They sometimes rebelled against their masters, and were allies of Gaul (and Carthage, by proxy). But they did little themselves, they accomplished nothing of importance. They certainly had interesting armies; a mixture of Celtic and Italic/Mediterranean combat philosophies and equipment. But they were simply not prolific or important enough to include, considering the scope. If the scope were smaller (like set only in the regions of the Punic Wars and immediate surrounding territories) the Numidians (and Ligurians, for that matter, who are admittedly more minor than Numidia, but similar in pertinent historical aspects) would be fine. Given our scope though, without the ability to add new factions, or some faction space left over, they simply aren't important enough when stacked against their replacement, Baktria.

[SwordsMaster]

So, the big battlefield of the West is going to be Iberia, with Iberians Carthaginians and Gauls all holding on to their territories....

[cunctator]

That's RTR's name, not ours.

Sorry, i mixed that up.

[Ranika]

Gauls have no territory in Iberia, they never did. The larger region of western Europe's initial conflict would be around the Italic peninsula. Carthaginian interests in Italy had to combat with Romans, who were already up against Gauls. Iberians, being allies of Carthage, would come into the war at Carthage's support. Gauls would ally with Carthage to further their own interests; they were already enemies of Rome, and had been major enemies for a little over a century (Brennos's sack of Rome around 380 BC).

CA started the vanilla game with Gaul holding Celtiberia, but that's stupid. Celtiberians aren't even considered 'real' Celts; merely Celtic-cultural descendants, who had largely been absorbed into the Iberian culture. They lacked near enough 'Celtic' culture to call them Celts, but CA apparently didn't understand the difference between a 'Celtic' and a 'Celtiberian' culture.

[SwordsMaster]

Gauls have no territory in Iberia, they never did. The larger region of western Europe's initial conflict would be around the Italic peninsula. Carthaginian interests in Italy had to combat with Romans, who were already up against Gauls. Iberians, being allies of Carthage, would come into the war at Carthage's support. Gauls would ally with Carthage to further their own interests; they were already enemies of Rome, and had been major enemies for a little over a century (Brennos's sack of Rome around 380 BC).

CA started the vanilla game with Gaul holding Celtiberia, but that's stupid. Celtiberians aren't even considered 'real' Celts; merely Celtic-cultural descendants, who had largely been absorbed into the Iberian culture. They lacked near enough 'Celtic' culture to call them Celts, but CA apparently didn't understand the difference between a 'Celtic' and a 'Celtiberian' culture.

Well, they both start with "celt"...

Yeah, I know the history, I was just wondering if you have redistributed the initial posessions as well, or just left the vanilla ones.

[Ranika]

Initial territorial holdings are based upon the historical holdings, as best we can understand, of a faction at the given time. Gaul, for example, represents the Aedui, who controlled, directly, several tribes directly around them in a feudal manner, and also had 'client' tribes in southern and Cisalpine Gaul.

[SwordsMaster]

Initial territorial holdings are based upon the historical holdings, as best we can understand, of a faction at the given time. Gaul, for example, represents the Aedui, who controlled, directly, several tribes directly around them in a feudal manner, and also had 'client' tribes in southern and Cisalpine Gaul.

Does that mean the Gauls will hold Segestica and/or Mediolanum? If you havent replaced them, that is.

[The Stranger]

so let me get this straight.

Thrace = ....
Numidia = Baktria
Britannia = illyria or are the thracians illyria and are the britons still the britons

[Ranika]

Segestica was in a Ligurian region, if I recall (and I could be mistaken); as such, the Gauls wouldn't hold it at the time (after the Celts drove them from the Po river basin, the Ligurians and Celts fought for a while; they took control of some Celtic towns and regions, though I cannot recall exactly what was in Ligurian hands at the time). The Gauls WILL have a Cisalpine Gaul territory, but I believe only one (and Liguria would not be it). More of Cisalpine Gaul was controlled by the Aedui's opposing kingdom, the Arverni, and their substantial number of 'allied' (more or less subjugated) tribes, not to mention the indepedent Boii's territories.

[GoreBag]

so let me get this straight.

Thrace = ....
Numidia = Baktria
Britannia = illyria or are the thracians illyria and are the britons still the britons

Oh, man.

Illyria was an April Fool's joke. IT WAS A LIE. They will not be a playable faction.

[Abokasee]

Shame What A Shame That There Is No Illyria Faction (worst April Fools Day Joke In My Life)

[SwordsMaster]

Shame What A Shame That There Is No Illyria Faction (worst April Fools Day Joke In My Life)

Well, mate, next time you make a mod you can include Ilyria or even Simmeria if you want. The EB team has included what they've considered more suitable.

[Ranika]

Considering the limitations of factions, the Illyrians simply didn't seem important enough to subplant any of our current factions. We chose what factions we did on a number of criteria; expansionism, their effect on their region (and importance historically), their indepedence in those matters, how many factions are populating a region (kind of minor, that; historical importance is more of a concern, but this can be used sometimes if the faction can't be decided), gameplay limitations (culture limits, model limits, etc.), and their general importance on the world stage (based upon trade and the like) tend to be the major points of arguing for or against a faction. Illyria had been mentioned before, but I believe we've decided against it, for any number of reasons, in favor of the factions we're working with now.

[Meneldil]

I still wonder how you'll explain that Bactria will be a faction on its own at the begining of the campaign. I think I heard somewhere the start date would be 271, and Bactria became independant only in 247 (I think).
My point is, why bactria and not, for example, Pergamene (Pergamum, or however you spell it) ? I don't really know what Bactria achieved after 247 (or the date it became independant), while I know Pergam/ene/um ruled a large empire in asia minor.

[khelvan]

Baktria will be a faction of its own in the same way that Parthia and Armenia will be, neither of whom were independent in 272 BC.

[sharrukin]

Parthia the province was held by the Seleucids at this time but the Parni tribes who would later become the Parthians were independent of ANY outside control. The Parni took their name from the province of Parthia when they later conquered it thus becoming theParthians.

Armenia was only nominaly a vassal state of the Seleucids and largely went their own way and this would also shortly after 270 BC be the state of affairs for the Bactrian region as well. The Seleucids simply did not have the power to control the vast regions they held.

[TheTank]

................the British islanders were some of the most prolific traders in Europe (trading tin, silver, dyes, linen, etc.) with numerous major powers in the mediterranean, and were a complex grouping of 5 cultures (not 1); that is harder to represent than Numidians.................

This sounds interesting Ranika can you enlighten me about 5 British cultures.
I am very interested in Celtic cultures in general......

I can come up with The Caledonians, Geals, Belgae but the other 2 are for me

[Ranika]

Belgae, Goidils (Gaels), Caledonians, Midlanders, and Southerners.

Belgae inhabit parts of Ireland and parts of southern Britain. Goidils inhabit most of Ireland. Caledonians, of course, inhabit Caledonia. Midlanders are P-Celtic speaking 'Britons', and are the only 'actual' Britons. The southern 'Britons' are actually essentially Gauls or Belgae, depending on the region. They have some distinguishing characteristics and unique natures to them, but they're more similar to Gauls/Belgae than they are to the midlanders or Caledonians.

[TheTank]

Belgae, Goidils (Gaels), Caledonians, Midlanders, and Southerners.

Belgae inhabit parts of Ireland and parts of southern Britain. Goidils inhabit most of Ireland. Caledonians, of course, inhabit Caledonia. Midlanders are P-Celtic speaking 'Britons', and are the only 'actual' Britons. The southern 'Britons' are actually essentially Gauls or Belgae, depending on the region. They have some distinguishing characteristics and unique natures to them, but they're more similar to Gauls/Belgae than they are to the midlanders or Caledonians.

Ok thank you for the info.

Are EB doing the same with the Gauls divide them in subculture groups
Like Amoricans, Eastern Celts (Helvetii,Nori) Southern Gauls Norther Gauls etc...
Or are the "Gallic" cultures more alike then the Insular Celts?!

PS: Where the Alpine and subAlpine Celts the direct ancestors of the first celts.
I know that the Hallstatt Culture starts in this area.

[Ranika]

Eastern Celts will have a few regional units. Gaul itself is much more homogenized, but has some main varied areas. Transalpine and Cisalpine Gaul, and Belgica. Noricum and its surrounding areas aren't truly 'Gallic', but they are Celts, but with numerous Hellenic influences, and will have a few regional units to display their variety from Gaul. There will be variety of continental Celts, but the variety of cultures in eastern Europe is quite wide, so things will generally be a bit more generic.