The shoreline bug

[Benny Moore]

Not a bug but a FEATURE! That square shoreline was a quickfix to prevent CTD's.

Where did you hear that? You just made that up on the spot, didn't you?

For your information, we had no square shorelines before the patch. Not one! It is because we get wonders and ports that we have the square shorelines. I know what I'm talking about; I've played with the editor enough to see what causes them. I could fix them (shoddily, because I'm no three dimensional modeller) if I could permanently edit the campaign map, but we aren't allowed to do that. If I had access to the old, prepatch campaign map as well, I could just copy the old one. In short, the need to revert it to the way it was without wonders. I would gladly sacrifice wonders for this, as there are only seven of them - I have only seen three of them - and the shoreline squares show up many times per Rome: Total War session.

We could always go back to MTW/STW maps where the maps are preprogrammed and fixed and the maps quickly lose any of thier uniqeness. I like the new map system where not too many battlefields look familiar. So the question is do you want a limited number of maps for the terrain or do you want unique maps where you almost never fight on the same terrain again.

Yes, I would rather have a few maps that look nice than a lot of them that look hideous and unrealistic. In fact, whenever my friend and I play online, we use the same map the majority of the time (Italian Lowland). Would you rather have one Van Gogh or two dozen sketches by me?

I'd rather see a much better A.I. in the expansion and still have the square shorelines than rounded shorelines and a slight improvement to the A.I.

You speak without knowledge. The three dimensional modellers have absolutely nothing to do with artificial intelligence. Also, the shoreline squares are already fixed in the previous versions of the game. Please stop making out as if having the shoreline bug fixed would hurt the artificial intelligence.

You do realize that Creative Assembly cannot hear your slobbering boot licking attempts here? I recommend taking your Creative Assemblophilia to the official forums.

[Magraev]

I agree that this is a bug that should be fixed. I don't agree with Oaty that it is unimportant, since as you say it looks daft and does little to suspend my disbelief (maybe it weighs it down??).

Honestly though your tone is offensive. I can see how you got a thread closed at the .com if you were as unpleasant over there.

You'd get your point across much better if you stopped acusing people who disagree with your views of licking CA's boots.

Here at the .org we're all great friends

[Benny Moore]

I refuse to be friends with someone who thinks that a problem of this magnitude should remain in the game! The thread was closed because the administrator felt the bug did not need to be fixed, not because of my tone. Here is what his closing post in the thread was.

This strikes me as a minor blemish. You can't fight in the area. Sometimes tiles were not perfectly joined on landscapes in STW and MTW and in STW men stuck in the corners of river tiles and caused you to lose a battle because you could not move them or access them because they had no real place on the map.

I doubt this kind of thing will be fixed as it is pretty minor and does not cause the game to crash. It does spoil the verisimilitude of the landscape. I won't get a rash scratching myself over this itch.

I will not be friendly with people with this attitude! I don't see why I should be expected to, either.

[ShellShock]

I refuse to be friends with someone who thinks that a problem of this magnitude should remain in the game! The thread was closed because the administrator felt the bug did not need to be fixed, not because of my tone. Here is what his closing post in the thread was.



I will not be friendly with people with this attitude! I don't see why I should be expected to, either.

It depends on what you think is more likely to be effective, and particularly what CA are more likely to listen to: reasoned and helpful criticism, or the same but marred by offensive comments.

I don't like the square shoreline bug, and hope CA fix it at some point (expansion?), but I also don't like people who make offensive remarks without provocation.

[Benny Moore]

Excuse me. I did not make any offensive remarks without provocation. Since my reasonable, matter-of-fact post on the Rome: Total War forums, I had to endure undeserved mocking and much imbecilic justification of the bug. Does it surprise you that I react this way?

Oaty did not mock me here, it is true. However, he did attempt to defend the bug, and I consider that provocation enough. Don't you? I paid good money for this game, and although it would be asking too much for a perfect game in difficult areas such as artificial intelligence and other things so complicated that most of us have no clue how they work, I do expect a simple and obvious problem like this to be fixed. I do not expect to have people say that the flaw should be left as it is, and I think that my anger at such people is perfectly justified.

[hoom]

I want it fixed because its ugly & well, ugly
I don't believe its a quickfix (seen zero evidence for this being one)
Oaty does have a point that a substantially improved AI would be better than a fixed shoreline + hardly touched AI.
I do however disagree with the idea that fixing the shoreline would be a big enough task to affect the fixing of the AI since the two tasks would be being handled by different groups of people.

[curmudgeon]What happened to that entry level sub-forum where new people had to prove they weren't asshats before being able to post in the main forums? [/curmudgeon]

[Husar]

[...][curmudgeon]What happened to that entry level sub-forum where new people had to prove they weren't asshats before being able to post in the main forums? [/curmudgeon]

Good question.

I think the shoreline bug is really not the most important one to fix, because mainly(mainly always) it´s just eyecandy. And I would prefer two dozen sketches of you, Qvintvs, because they will be a lot cheaper than the van Gogh.

[aw89]

[curmudgeon]What happened to that entry level sub-forum where new people had to prove they weren't asshats before being able to post in the main forums? [/curmudgeon]

I destroyd it, sorry...

[hrvojej]

I will not be friendly with people with this attitude! I don't see why I should be expected to, either.

Manners, please. You do not have to be friends with anybody, but being polite is another matter. You can convey your point without resorting to that kind of language.


As others have said, the square shores are an unfortunate side-effect of trying to fix CTDs and deployment problems that arose from maps which were partially covered with water.

[Benny Moore]

Where did you get that information? And why did I not experience crashes on the previous two versions, which did not have the shoreline squares?

[hoom]

As others have said, the square shores are an unfortunate side-effect of trying to fix CTDs and deployment problems that arose from maps which were partially covered with water.

Have CA actually said that?
I dan't recall having seen anyone prove it, just some people repeatedly claim it as a quick fix.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I have experienced this bug in my recent Scicilian campaign as the Greeks, it has not been a major problem, but it was annoying when my cavalry charged through a port, the walls not the open space. It is a bit of an annoyance, but not the top of my bugs list.
You do have a bad attitude, if youi listened to people and treated them respectfully you would get much further, you should also look beyond someones views on bugs and not judge them on this one issue.

[hrvojej]

Have CA actually said that?
I dan't recall having seen anyone prove it, just some people repeatedly claim it as a quick fix.

I can't give you the exact quote either. But this is the info I found when I searched the forums here and at the .com when I first encountered the ugly squares, which was back when the 1.2 patch first came out. I had no CTDs myself prior to this, but I can confirm that the AI had no small problems handling the coastal maps. And it still does in those maps that are unaltered (I remember a really bad one near Tarentum in 1.2). I think, however, that it was mainly a matter of not having enough space to deploy if large areas were water.