secret pride

**Procrustes** · 03-28-2005, 23:56

Has anyone else noticed that the "secret pride" vice comes with -2 acumen, as well as the +3 valor and -1 command that is listed with it? What a pain. Twice now I've had decent governors that I was grooming who suddenly got "secret pride". Bad enough that they lost the command bonus that their provinces gave them, but now they have little acumen, too!

**BAD** · 03-29-2005, 01:28

The old saying applies here:-

"Pride comes before a fall."

Reiev him of his duties with an emissary and send him off to the Russian Front to die a glorius death.Then just get another governer. See where his pride gets him

!!!

**Betito** · 03-29-2005, 01:37

Pride can be one of the best "vices" you can get. I agree that you don't want the governor of antioch, tripoli or constantinople to have it, but i do like to see it in some SAP, JHI, VG, JomsVikings... they become a real scary force

**Biggus Diccus** · 03-29-2005, 10:06

I had a governor with 4 acumen suddenly getting secret pride. Funny thing was that the -2 acumen was not subtracted from his original value. When I checked province income it had actually increased after he got 'secret pride'. I checked a previous savegame and it appears that he got a hidden +2 acumen instead of the proper -2, and he is still listed with 4 acumen.

This was with the latest pach and no mods.

**Armchair Athlete** · 03-29-2005, 11:30

Thats wierd, I know that secret pride and pride are actually reversed with the command/acumen point subtraction (secret pride should take -2 command and acumen, pride just -1 command) but I haven't heard of that happening. Are you sure it was secret pride and not pride (which although should take command off, doesn't)?

**Procrustes** · 03-29-2005, 17:28

Yeah, I like the pride vices when it's fighting unit, but was bummed to have two govenors grow it in a row. My most recent prideful dude was already up to three stars and four valor (he'd been fighting rebellions in Ireland for a while), so now he's a real killer. Off to the frontier, I guess - too bad about the steward and builder virtues. (Though I think I better send him to get some better armor first.)

**Biggus Diccus** · 03-30-2005, 15:10

Originally Posted by Armchair Athlete

Thats wierd, I know that secret pride and pride are actually reversed with the command/acumen point subtraction (secret pride should take -2 command and acumen, pride just -1 command) but I haven't heard of that happening. Are you sure it was secret pride and not pride (which although should take command off, doesn't)?

My bad: The governor got 'pride', not 'secret pride'. He didn't have any command points prior to this so I couldn't check effects of that.