Well done VikingHorde!!!

[Armchair Athlete]

Saw this posted at the .com forums and I thought I might post it here too

VikingHorde's XL mod has received an award from the wargamer site, check it out here

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/medieval_totalwar_xl/

Here's an excerpt of what they had to say about it;

The wargamer is pleased to present VikingHorde with this award for excellence for Medieval: Total War XL. Medieval: Total War XL makes a great game even better, extending the life of this terrific strategy game with more depth and rich play

Well done VH!

[ichi]

Congrats VH

ichi

[VikingHorde]

Thanks I find it however a little sad that only the XL mod was reviewed. There are a lot of good mods here at the org., so more reviews would be cool. Total remake mods like "Reconquista: Total War" and "Fall of Rome - Total War" should be review along with with the more famous ones.

[King Clas]

Good job and a highly well deserved award

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Congrats mate!
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[Duke Dick]

Thanks I find it however a little sad that only the XL mod was reviewed. There are a lot of good mods here at the org., so more reviews would be cool. Total remake mods like "Reconquista: Total War" and "Fall of Rome - Total War" should be review along with with the more famous ones.

agreed, hopefully other mods will get the recognition they too so rightly deserve!!

[Baron Von Cockmyre]

They seem to be handing out awards for anything these days. VH didnt even make slav javelinmen, for gods sake!!! Wargamer doesnt kno a good mod wen it sees one. I can think of much better mods deserved of this accolade.

[Duke Dick]

you're right about the slav javelinmen, and I too think it was just based around the hype XL mod has, and not wargamer actually playing it. However, thats not to say the XL mod isn't good, but i do think other mods should have been honoured first.

[VikingHorde]

you're right about the slav javelinmen, and I too think it was just based around the hype XL mod has, and not wargamer actually playing it. However, thats not to say the XL mod isn't good, but i do think other mods should have been honoured first.

Please don't write about my mod like you have play it, 10 turns does not count. I don't know what your problem is, but don't make reviews of it like you have played it a lot.

[mikkele]

They seem to be handing out awards for anything these days. VH didnt even make slav javelinmen, for gods sake!!! Wargamer doesnt kno a good mod wen it sees one. I can think of much better mods deserved of this accolade.

That's a pretty petty comment. XL is an excellent, well-designed and balanced mod for what it attempts to do. Other mods may be bigger and more ambitious, but as they say about jazz music: Sometimes less is more.

[Armchair Athlete]

I find it a little....strange...that all of a sudden someone is registering for the sole purpose of flaming Viking Hordes mod. Can anyone say multi account??

[Duke Dick]

Please don't write about my mod like you have play it, 10 turns does not count. I don't know what your problem is, but don't make reviews of it like you have played it a lot.

contrary to popular belief, since i made that statement, i have played it more, and I particularly enjoy your mod at the moment. What i posted was not a review, even you yourself admitted there were others which deserved it more so than you. I was merely agreeing with that comment, and did I once say anything bad about your mod in the post?? No.

[mikkele]

even you yourself admitted there were others which deserved it more so than you.

Well, my good Duke, he did in fact not say that. He merely stated that other mods ought to be reviewed and recognized as well; not that he thought that any other modders deserved more praise than he had gotten.

I also think it is a little lame to claim so in a thread dedicated to praising the XL mod's recent award. Why not just let VH have his day in the sun?

[Duke Dick]

well VH's reaction was unneeded. He was out of line. I have done nothing wrong, and I have PM'ed him about that.

I am not trying to take anything away from him.

[Aurelian]

Well... good! It's a damn fine mod. Congratulations for the recognition VH. Your mod is still the one I play the most, even though there have been many great MTW mods. The XL Mod just pulls everything together in a way that makes the game tighter, tougher, and more enjoyable.

[Goofball]

well VH's reaction was unneeded. He was out of line. I have done nothing wrong, and I have PM'ed him about that.

Hmmm...

*remembers last time we discussed XL Mod and DD called me a (insert nasty term for a part of the female anatomy) and said he was going to rape my mother after I said I liked XL Mod better than BKB Mod*


You need to lighten up a little bit, my friend...

Congrats VH. Your mod has kept MTW alive for me long past its normal shelf life.

The award was well deserved.

[Duke Dick]

really??? I cant remember that...but part of it sounds like something i'd do

not the latter bit though, i never once said i'd rape your mother, but infact she'd perform an act of oral sex on me.

ARMCHAIR ATHLETE

Are you trying to imply something, why pussfoot around it, if you have anything to say, come straight out and say it please.

[Armchair Athlete]

I thought my post but rather clear, but I'll say it again....

There have been a number of 1 post noobs flaming VH on a number of occasions. I'm not going to list them all here, but I will draw everyone's attention to the fellow known as Masaki86 (banned a couple of days ago).

If anyone is curious, here is his first post
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...8&page=4&pp=30

It actually had to be edited for bad language (sound like anyone we know?), however most of it has survived in other peoples quotations. Read a bit further down. He suggests dropping VH for BKB, because BKB is a better modder. Sound familiar??? We even have Duke Dick throwing in his lot in that thread, adding to the evidence. BUT, have a look at what he says in the thread a few days ago
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=45654

oh, and bkb mods exceptionally s**t as well. how f*****s like you duke dick like it is beyond me.

(note, foul language edited out be me)

WOW!!!! What a change of opinion!!! First to saying VH is bad and BKB is a much better modder, to saying that BKB's mod is *insert profanity here*!!! Just the case of a confused individual, or Duke Dick losing track of what his multi accounts have said?? The case is further strengthened by the fact that Duke Dick did not even respond at all. This doesn't sound like him at all, I would expect him to respond violently and aggressively. Perhaps call him a 'c' word and threaten to rape his mother?? While I do not agree with the way Goofball stated his opinions, it does however illustrate my point

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=43641

And again, a foul mouthed response that actually had to be edited out by Barocca
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...&page=17&pp=30

The reason Duke Dick did not respond to the post by Masaki86 was that it was his OWN multi account that did it. You can hardly be angry at what you have called yourself Perhaps he wanted to elicit sympathy? And even in this thread we have the rather convenient showing up of a one post newb to support Duke Dick.

There, I have stated my case, and the evidence is strong.

On a realted note, this is one of the reasons WHY I think BKB's mod has not received the attention it deserves (and I do think it deserves more). BECAUSE of Duke Dicks flaming. No-one wants to read aggressive and abusive posts. Especially when they are intrusive into other mods threads. It reminds me of a saying;
"If you want to attract bees, use sugar, not vinegar"
Flaming other mods will not get many people interested in one. I think recently even Duke Dick has cottoned onto this (hence, his flaming of himself). When people read aggressive and abusive posts, such as the type that Duke Dick is so prone to making, it puts people off. I think Duke Dick has done more to harm BKB's mod than any other factor out there. A poor quality supporter brings about negative opinions about a product (and before you think about making multi accounts in order to flame while praising VH Duke Dick, no-one is going to fall for it. I think VH will be the FIRST one to ask for their ban). BKB, you must have read this so far, I think you need to start questioning how much of the flaming of you has been done by Duke Dick.

Making multi accounts to flame is malicious in the extreme, coupled with the fact this has been ongoing for some time now, I think it is deserving of some sort of intervention by the staff. I will not be letting this issue up until some outcome has been resolved - I dont want to go into the main hall or engineers guild and read flames (regardless of who they are from). I had hoped that time would solve this issue, but I guess not. And I dont think it will in the future, without the moderators/administrators taking steps.

[Duke Dick]

so let me get this straight...you think i am Duke Dick, Masaki86 and Baron Von Cockmyre. well you got one right.

They are pretty extreme allegations, and are some I am not happy to hear being tossed around. If you have no proof, then please remove them. I have already got a poor raport with a few org users, and I do not wish to have it worsened by your so called 'facts'.

Please delete your post now, or I will take more serious actions, what you have done is libel my friend, and i am not going to stand for it.

AND FOR THE LAST TIME, I DID NOT THREATEN TO RAPE HIS MOTHER!!!!

edit-You seriously are talking out of your arse mate. VH mod was getting more praise than the Super Mod before i ever said anything in the XL mod thread, and thats all I have done, said a few things in the XL mod thread which i later regretted. I have only ever said some bad things to VH, and thats it. How can you say my few comments have made everyone feel like not replying in the BKB mod thread?

edit the second-Also, how was Baron vons post in anyway supporting me? If you read my first posts in this thread, I was being positive about most stuff. How in anyway was he supproting me when he was saying the exact opposite to what I was saying. When he said what he said, I realised he was right about the slav javelinmen, and when I read that, I thought it was pretty clear that the guys at wargamer hadn't examined the XL mod as properly as they should have, as they only mention that unit which is already in the game, and miss out a lot of the new features VH put into his mod.

oh and plus that idea is going against another of yours 'DD didnt reply to Masaki86 as it would be replying to himself' so whats the difference with cockmyre, did i obviously lose the plot and decide to reply to myself, even though previous 'examples' have shown that i apparently do otherwise???

ONE theory disproved-DD is not Cockmyre....now to disprove the rest of this myriad.

edit the third-It is obvious that Masaki86 is a troll, pure and simple. Trolls have no reasons why they say stuff, other than to cause trouble, so it is obvious he/she would say anything to cause trouble. VH is popular.....lets flame and people will be annoyed....BKB is getting praise...lets flame that as well and see what trouble we can start. Causing trouble is their only purpose, and I don't think continuity in their arguements is high on their agenda, just getting people p'ed is their aim.

Other than that, and my word, I don't think I can prove to you that I am not Masaki86.

edit the fourth-OMGZ MASAKI86 and DD both swear...they must be the same person!!!!!OMGZ!!!! Ok, that is basically another idea of yours, trying to prove we are one and the same. You're saying that their can only be one person with a short fuse and easy to temper on a forum? I Think not, i admit i may throw the profanaties around to easily, but how does that prove I am masaki86?

edit the fifth-you say i never reply to masaki86...check here https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...8&page=5&pp=30 another thing to add to my disproving?

[Ser Clegane]

Maybe, just maybe, some people here need to calm down a little?

It's a little sad to see the p*ssing matches about different mods in this thread and in others.

You guys are really doing a "great" service to people like VH and BKB who put a lot of effort (and for free - IMO that cannot be mentioned too often) into the mods they contribute to the community.

IMHO it's good to see that the XL mod got this kind of "public" recognition. Of course one might argue that other mods would deserve the same and this would definitely be true.
However, I think we should rather see this award as a recognition of the great work of TW modders in general.

Kudos to all the guys like WesW, BKB, Barocca, VH, Duke John, the EB-team and countless others I did not mention who go the extra mile (actually a lot of extra miles) to make TW an even better experience for the community

Just for the record: Armchair Athlete, reading through the links you posted, I indeed think that you are going too far in suggesting that DD used multiple accounts to flame.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I think this topic is getting WAY out of hand and completely deviating from VH's success. A lot of profanities and allegations are being thrown around, which aren't doing anyone any good.

Von Cockmyre has only posted once and it looks like he's not going to again. I realise that by flaming VH's mod it is easy to pair him with Duke Dick, but he never specified any mods. Now if he would've said BKB's then I think those allegations would have had a more solid base.

AA you make some interesting points, but they have little foundation I feel. Understand I don't have control over what DD posts. I've conversed with him over PM many times but I wouldn't say that I know him well enough to try to restrain him. However, I'd also like to think I know him well enough to say that he isn't the type of guy to create multiple accounts to flame people. He's already shown he could do that as DD if he wanted to, so I'm not sure why he'd do that anyway. Masaki86's job description was as a "mod-insulter", which cried out for trouble. That guy had a pop at everyone - Me, VH and WesW, so he certainly didn't appear to show any bias! As you can see, Masaki86, Von Cockmyre and Duke Dick have three very distinct personalities, so it is at this stage unfair to say that they are one person.

I think the main link between Masaki and DD is their foul language. Masaki has posted nothing but negative comments, but DD only seems to use foul language when people get to him, which with his temperament tends to be quite easily. But DD has contributed more to the community - he has over 200 posts and not all of them are related to flaming VH's mod. He's posted in other parts of the forum also, which suggests there is more to his character surely. Plus he has stated in this thread that his thoughts on the XL mod have u-turned and that he is now enjoying it. True he preceded that with a questionable comment, but lets just take things one step at a time.

I perfectly understand VH's frustrations - while these three may have been more blatant at times with their insults, I've had to put up with many less vulgar negative comments in my thread since the mod's conception, and the lack of gratitude for the hard work does tend to annoy after a while, which some of you may have regretably witnessed in my recent knee-jerk reactions in other threads, which I apologize for. In an odd way it can be worse, because they are more serious comments by proper members rather than just the odd flaming newbie, who probably doesn't even mean what he says. Subsequently, I can emphatize with VH's and his fellow supporters anger on this one, but, although hard, its probably better you ignore the more petty remarks and only respond to ones you feel hit closer to the bone.

I can't honestly see a day when DD and VH will patch up their differences, but surely a ceasefire should be called and this thread closed before it descends into chaos.

[Odin]

Tip of the hat to VH. I have played XL exclusively for months and its an excellent mod, well deserving of the praise. I am however skeptical of any award given by Wargamer.com (note that I am banned from thier forums )


They gave RTW an award and a glowing write up, despite its well documented, and in some players mind game breaking save game bug. They also have made many favorable reviews and awards for Paradox games (any one who knows me knows I have had a love hate relationship with those games) despite some very real AI/crashing issues with HOI, and CK.

Hoi2 is pretty solid though. Anyway it would seem Wargamer gave an award that is consistant with my personal gaming expirence. Part of me finds that shocking, another part oddly gratifying.

XL is a great Mod, VH did a great job, he deserves the accolades he gets.

[Armchair Athlete]

BKB, I know you have conducted yourself with honesty and integrity at all times, and I have been impressed with that. I have posted before defending the crashes which some people claim to get playing your mod, which is actually not a fault of your mod but graphics cards patches, so you should be aware that this is not just something to get to you. I also know Duke Dick does not speak for you. I still believe what I have posted, that indeed he would flame others using multiple accounts. I still believe that his comments are counter productive to the advertisement of your mod, which I would like to see succeed as well. It has been going on for almost a year now, and all I want is to be able to come here and not read threads full of abuse. I have been patient with it and put up with it until now.

I understand that not everyone will see things the way I do, however the undeniable facts are as follows;

Newbs have been registering for the sole purpose of flaming XL Mod, often with foul language.

Duke Dick has a vendetta against VH, which while not consuming all his posts, consumes a significant portion of them. Many a time a thread on this subject has degenerated because of DD's intervention.

DD jumps in and nearly always comments on the abusive posts that newbs post.

masaki86 had only 5 posts, three of which are in the thread which MTW mod is your favourite, and 2 in the other thread (one of which was deleted for foul language). If we wanted to troll so badly, it is suprising that he waited until now to do so.

All I want is for the abuse to stop. I know I have been somewhat hypocritical in this, as my comments are causing the thread to degenerate, but this had to get sorted out sooner or later. Time is not going to fix this issue, so better to do so now.

[Duke Dick]

DD jumps in and nearly always comments on the abusive posts that newbs post.

can you provide me with examples please, i would love to see them.

also, who are all these 'newbs' coming on and flaming the xl mod...are you trying to say they are me.

The only ones I have encountered are cockmyre and masaki.

actually, here are all masaki86's posts for you all to see:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=116
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=2106
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=45654

there they all are.

[Armchair Athlete]

I tell you what. If it is possible, I will ask Tosa Inu to do an IP trace. If both Masaki's and Baron von Cockmyres IPs are from a different country to DD, then undeniably I am in the wrong. I will publicly apologise to Duke Dick for my comments regarding his use of multi accounts (although not for the negative publicity with BKB's mod). If they are from the same country, then the issue will be somewhat unresolved, as one can easily just post from a different computer to the one he mainly uses. If any of the IP's are the same as the ones Duke Dick has posted from ,then my comments will be correct.

[Duke Dick]

fine by me, i think thats the best course of action. We need this situation to be resolved, and by the looks of it, you can't see the truth when the facts are there in front of you.

[VikingHorde]

Duke Dick and I are cool now, so I consider this topic closed.

[Deus Ex]

Whew - at last some sanity.

Thanks VH

[Mithrandir]

Too bad I wasn't able to come online for a few days due to a virus.
Things will be straightened out.

Topic closed (too bad).

Congrats VH.

-Mithandir.