Stop Bashing please!

[Pausanias828]

Greetings Pausanias,

Yep! its me. The same old Bat. I just thought I'd register here instead of lurk. Aurelius' post at Duck's pond reminded me to register here.

Thank you for asking about my family. I hope your family is well too. .COM is taking a lot of my time these days. But when I have time, I'll drop by here once's in a while.

Cheers.

Bat

Yeah I can understand that it keeps you busy, I have popped back a few times recently, but not for very long. Keep up the good work there.

As for my family, well after all the problems of last year, this year (so far at least) seems to be much better.

I saw Aurelius' post as well, a couple of days ago, has he actually hit the big 10 post yet?

Anyway, hope to see you around a bit more.

[Turbo]

[QUOTE=BobTheTerrible]Seriously, be careful saying that around these parts. I started up a similar topic a while ago, and I was pretty much banished from the forums. People automatically assume you're a new player, and thus stupid or unworthy for liking the game.


Exactly how were you "banished" Bob? What BS.

Unlike the .COM that is run facist style, the .ORG encourages open speech and differences in opinion. If you want to complain about censorship, talk to the moderators/admins over at the .COM.

[Swordsman]

I have accepted that every game published will be bugged to some degree. I don't like it, but I have accepted it. What separates the bad from the good (and the great) is how the game is supported AFTER it hits the streets.

Two examples:
1. "Domination", the sequel to "Massive Assault", just came out a couple of weeks ago. Has a couple of very annoying bugs-- not "game killers", but still a problem. They just issued a patch today.

2. "World at War" just came out this week-- per DEVELOPER on forum, they already are nearing release of a patch to fix some "annoying"-category issues (stats, AI, gameplay).

Meanwhile, RTW is basically out of luck. It MIGHT be fixed in the XP (many months away). The cumulative effect of all the bugs/features/imbalances is what bothers me-- not just any particular one. And much appears to be hard-coded. For everyone that loves vanilla RTW-- that's great, although I personally feel you are not getting the game experience you THINK you are because of all the "under the hood" problems. For everyone that is disappointed-- I daresay all would be forgiven if they would just keep popping out patches to address the significant, non-moddable, problems-- like MANY developers do. For some reason they just don't get it. When the XP comes along I will probably wait a month or so until all the experts on this forum get a chance to assess whether it really is an improvement before I buy it. Hope it doesn't just take all the old bugs and replace them with new, improved ones.

Until then, I'll get my fix with MTW and the ton of GREAT mods that exist for it.

Swordsman

[BobTheTerrible]

Exactly how were you "banished" Bob? What BS.

Well I didn't mean banished in the literal sense. Sorry, I usually don't use smileys in my text, there would have been a winking one right there. The .org is the most mature and tolerant total war forum I know. Although my reception to saying I thought the game was good enough to be considered a finished product (as opposed to a beta, as most people around here refer to it) wasn't exactly friendly, and ended up causing a notice for conduct appearing on the forums. I can't seem to find it, I think it's too old; the name of the thread was "In beta?" I think it ended up getting closed down.

I'm sorry that my post sounded too harsh and accusative, I didn't mean it like that... but to tell the truth I've been reluctant to post here ever since that incident, which is why I said "banished." I immediately saw the topic title, and realized this would quickly turn into another "customer support/buggy game/poor AI" thread.

This was just an informative post. Please, please, please nobody respond to this at all. I really don't feel like arguing or having this turn into a flame thread. If you want to say anything, don't do it here, because I will not be responsible for more flames. Send me a private message if anything. On a side note, I do think I owe the .org members an apology for my previous post(s).

[Red Harvest]

I see this thread and the others like it as more of a "live and let live" thing. I've not posted before in this thread because I don't see any reason to tell someone they shouldn't like the game, etc. If they like it as is, terrific. I'm glad they enjoy it. Wish I could, too.

I will argue heavily over demonstrable points of fact, but this thread is wholly an opinion thing, one purely of opinion/perception with no way to prove or disprove the original point. I post both pro and con about features in a game. My interest is in accuracy, not touchy-feely opinions.

Most "bashing" threads are oriented towards bug reports and frustration with the final state of the game. It has been 3 weeks since I played a real campaign turn. I keep thinking, "Tonight, I'll start a new one with yet more mods to fix broken parts of the 'final' game." Instead, I end up reading a book, testing some quirky RTW feature, or researching some aspect of history.

I will say one thing, if I titled a thread, "Stop Praising please!" it would look rather silly and pointless... (And I have posted praise threads on RTW before pointing at specific features that were well done. They didn't get many comments, even from those who are unabashed supporters of RTW.)

[FURRY_BOOTS]

Well I didn't mean banished in the literal sense. Sorry, I usually don't use smileys in my text, there would have been a winking one right there. The .org is the most mature and tolerant total war forum I know. Although my reception to saying I thought the game was good enough to be considered a finished product (as opposed to a beta, as most people around here refer to it) wasn't exactly friendly, and ended up causing a notice for conduct appearing on the forums. I can't seem to find it, I think it's too old; the name of the thread was "In beta?" I think it ended up getting closed down.

I'm sorry that my post sounded too harsh and accusative, I didn't mean it like that... but to tell the truth I've been reluctant to post here ever since that incident, which is why I said "banished." I immediately saw the topic title, and realized this would quickly turn into another "customer support/buggy game/poor AI" thread.

This was just an informative post. Please, please, please nobody respond to this at all. I really don't feel like arguing or having this turn into a flame thread. If you want to say anything, don't do it here, because I will not be responsible for more flames. Send me a private message if anything. On a side note, I do think I owe the .org members an apology for my previous post(s).

i remember that thread, & i was of the opinion that much of the anger was because of your intolerance of "noobs",
but lets not go there again
Oh, & Beefy, if you give devs too much praise(we LOVE your game, we worship you, your game is perfect, you can do no wrong) then they sit on their laurels & churn out any old crap(rome is not crap btw) i continually want better games, & if i have to flame/bash devs when its needed, then so be it.

[The Stranger]

i have been of the internet for a long while so, can someone please introduce me in this thread. what is this about. (i don't like to read all now cause i'm on school and this site is not allowed

[Cheater]

Guys, I didn't think that RTW was all that bad. Sure, I did have some problems with it, but some of those could be fixed with the Total Realism mod (which I will be downloading, soon), but even I have some petty little problems wit hthe game, namely the lack of certain other disasters that could happen to people, such as famine. So far I've seen floods and plagues, but no famines yet.

These are all the 'little' problems I have with it... stuff I'd like to be seen improved and fixed in later expansion packs and possibly the next in the Total War series.

I have to admit, I do a lot of bashing and heavy criticism myself every now and then on many subjects, but when all is said and done, remember this: It's just a game, don't take anything too seriously.

[Aetius the Last Roman]

This is just stupid,
How can an open forum like the .org just censor views because it upsets you.
Profanity and sexual explicitness maybe but I think I capture the spirit of the .org when I say that this is an open forum and not a politically-correct fascist republic.

[Benny Moore]

Versions one point one and one point two are both "vanilla." "Vanilla" means that the game is not modified. And the bug affects all versions equally.

[The Wizard]

I see the potential of this game, and I look at my experiences with its predecessors, and what do I see? Waste! Horrible, terrible waste of potential! It could have been so challenging, so engrossing, but it turns out to be a rushed product at the whims of a publisher, with many bugs, but most terribly an AI that I can abuse, fool, and trick, rather than cross swords with on an equal level. Besides that, the tactical engine seems to have been simplified and cavalry grossly overpowered.

And to top it all off, I look at Blizzard Entertainment and see its support to its games, and its openness to its customers, and then I look here, and I see two little patches which fix some bugs. Admittedly, 1.02 is an improvement upon vanilla, certainly, but no real effort has been made to make the AI smarter, to improve the tactical engine, so that I actually have a challenge to look forward to. Never mind that the enormous amount of historical innacuracies I see as a fan of military history! The gameplay remains more important.

Then I look back at WarCraft III's 18 patches, StarCraft's (!) latest patch, and WoW's patching (not to mention polish), and people wonder why I play this game constantly annoyed, and put effort into things such as Europa Barbarorum.



~Wiz