Stop Bashing please!

**Jonny Dangerously** · 04-02-2005, 16:17

Good for you Beefy.

I think it's a brilliant game, I also think it has some bugs.

This being said, I'm f*cked off with the amount of relentless and unbalanced b*tching that goes on about the game. I'm not talking about the diligent members who work hard to isolate the bugs and bring it to the attention of CA. I'm talking about the whinging, whining @rse monkies who seem to have nothing better to do than log onto this site so they can big themselves up by visciously slamming the game. You know the type of person I'm talking about.....their posts usually start with something like "I've just played my 203rd campaign on VH VH as the Dacians and won in 8 minutes, this game is sh*t.......blah blah blah blah". (read: "I think I'm incredibly clever and I want you all to know it")

I have also noticed that if you try and defend the game you generally get accused of being some kind of noob or idiot.........well I think the game is excellent, and I've been playing TW since the Shogun days.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that if you criticise the level of negative, unconstructive criticism that goes on here, you get accused of being technically ignorant.

Good for you Beefy, many people feel exactly the same way as you.

**Belenus** · 04-02-2005, 16:23

If the load game bug was fixed, I would be playing RTW at this moment. But since it isn't fixed, I'm not touching it. I bought RTW so I could see countries expand and fall, and to fight epic battles, not to watch everything stagnate and fight stacks of tier one troops. :(

**Craterus** · 04-02-2005, 22:20

Originally Posted by Belenus

If the load game bug was fixed, I would be playing RTW at this moment. But since it isn't fixed, I'm not touching it. I bought RTW so I could see countries expand and fall, and to fight epic battles, not to watch everything stagnate and fight stacks of tier one troops. :(

Cool name, I had a Briton general named Belenus the Conqueror and I had a row of 4 Heroic Victories down to the Italian Peninsula on the road from Iuvavum..

Anyway, on topic, I've never experienced the loadgame bug, do you use mods? Does it come with some of the mods?

**AntiochusIII** · 04-02-2005, 22:55

It is confirmed, Craterus, albeit not by "officials." And it has much more effects than "siege lifting." Generally all aspects of AI decision has been disturbed, including diplomacy, production, and, of course, military. They proved many points in various tests

I don't mind it that much, personally, though.

Anyway:

BASH!

**Red Harvest** · 04-03-2005, 01:40

groan...the loadgame bug has NOTHING to do with mods. Despite the best efforts of CA to cast doubt on those reporting and testing for the trouble, this is not "user error." You don't "see it" because you don't test for it and you have always lived with it unawares. (Like the pri/sec bug...) The game looks roughly the same as it always had, with incomprehensible AI moves as one proceeds through a campaign. But those incomprehensible moves now appear to be strongly related to the loadgame bug. So until it was researched, some were blissfully ignorant of the problem. Others of us were unhappy with the effects it was having on the game...but didn't know what the nemesis was. Now we have more insight into what is causing the problems.

This goes a long way toward explaining why the AI puts up a better fight early in the game too. Early in the game most of us can play through many turns without needing to reload. Whereas late game we probably play 2 to 5 turns before needing to leave the game and later reloading to carry on.

**starkhorn** · 04-03-2005, 02:18

Originally Posted by Craterus

Anyway, on topic, I've never experienced the loadgame bug, do you use mods? Does it come with some of the mods?

No it's part of the hard-code of the game it seems. It's there in 1.0 although my experience has shown it not to be as profund as in v1.1 and v1.2.

Despite comments from MikeB weeks ago on .com, trying to suggest that RTR mods may have been responsible for the bug, this is clearly not the case after simple testing.

TRy it out for yerself. :)

Cheers
Starkhorn

**Craterus** · 04-03-2005, 11:57

What's FoW?

I need to know these things before I can fully understand other's posts.. sorry for the stupid question

**starkhorn** · 04-03-2005, 12:02

I believe it means Fog of War. :) i.e. there is some sorta cheat code that lets you see the entire map with all pieces and settlements or something like that.

I've not tried it myself though so.......

Cheers
STarkhorn

**Craterus** · 04-03-2005, 12:11

what's the cheat? I'm always interested in my campaigns to know how other factions are doing... In my egyptian campaign I know almost nothing of Europe.. Apart from when I sent a diplomat from Pegamum over the Dardanelles to Byzantium and then through Thrace, Dacia, to Italy but he died before he reached Arretium lol...

**tai4ji2x** · 04-03-2005, 18:02

Originally Posted by starkhorn

I believe it means Fog of War. :) i.e. there is some sorta cheat code that lets you see the entire map with all pieces and settlements or something like that.

remember that units hiding in the woods will still remain hidden even after you turn off FOW