Stop Bashing please!

**Craterus** · 04-02-2005, 22:20

Originally Posted by Belenus

If the load game bug was fixed, I would be playing RTW at this moment. But since it isn't fixed, I'm not touching it. I bought RTW so I could see countries expand and fall, and to fight epic battles, not to watch everything stagnate and fight stacks of tier one troops. :(

Cool name, I had a Briton general named Belenus the Conqueror and I had a row of 4 Heroic Victories down to the Italian Peninsula on the road from Iuvavum..

Anyway, on topic, I've never experienced the loadgame bug, do you use mods? Does it come with some of the mods?

**AntiochusIII** · 04-02-2005, 22:55

It is confirmed, Craterus, albeit not by "officials." And it has much more effects than "siege lifting." Generally all aspects of AI decision has been disturbed, including diplomacy, production, and, of course, military. They proved many points in various tests

I don't mind it that much, personally, though.

Anyway:

BASH!

**Red Harvest** · 04-03-2005, 01:40

groan...the loadgame bug has NOTHING to do with mods. Despite the best efforts of CA to cast doubt on those reporting and testing for the trouble, this is not "user error." You don't "see it" because you don't test for it and you have always lived with it unawares. (Like the pri/sec bug...) The game looks roughly the same as it always had, with incomprehensible AI moves as one proceeds through a campaign. But those incomprehensible moves now appear to be strongly related to the loadgame bug. So until it was researched, some were blissfully ignorant of the problem. Others of us were unhappy with the effects it was having on the game...but didn't know what the nemesis was. Now we have more insight into what is causing the problems.

This goes a long way toward explaining why the AI puts up a better fight early in the game too. Early in the game most of us can play through many turns without needing to reload. Whereas late game we probably play 2 to 5 turns before needing to leave the game and later reloading to carry on.

**starkhorn** · 04-03-2005, 02:18

Originally Posted by Craterus

Anyway, on topic, I've never experienced the loadgame bug, do you use mods? Does it come with some of the mods?

No it's part of the hard-code of the game it seems. It's there in 1.0 although my experience has shown it not to be as profund as in v1.1 and v1.2.

Despite comments from MikeB weeks ago on .com, trying to suggest that RTR mods may have been responsible for the bug, this is clearly not the case after simple testing.

TRy it out for yerself. :)

Cheers
Starkhorn

**Craterus** · 04-03-2005, 11:57

What's FoW?

I need to know these things before I can fully understand other's posts.. sorry for the stupid question

**starkhorn** · 04-03-2005, 12:02

I believe it means Fog of War. :) i.e. there is some sorta cheat code that lets you see the entire map with all pieces and settlements or something like that.

I've not tried it myself though so.......

Cheers
STarkhorn

**Craterus** · 04-03-2005, 12:11

what's the cheat? I'm always interested in my campaigns to know how other factions are doing... In my egyptian campaign I know almost nothing of Europe.. Apart from when I sent a diplomat from Pegamum over the Dardanelles to Byzantium and then through Thrace, Dacia, to Italy but he died before he reached Arretium lol...

**HeresiarchQin** · 04-03-2005, 12:51

*Bashes the game*

Nah, this is actually quite a good game. Few games could make me spend (waste?) time more than 3 months on it.

**Bhruic** · 04-03-2005, 13:17

Originally Posted by Craterus

what's the cheat? I'm always interested in my campaigns to know how other factions are doing... In my egyptian campaign I know almost nothing of Europe.. Apart from when I sent a diplomat from Pegamum over the Dardanelles to Byzantium and then through Thrace, Dacia, to Italy but he died before he reached Arretium lol...

Hit ~, then type "toggle_fow" (without the quotes). Typing it again will turn the fog back on again.

Bh

**Craterus** · 04-03-2005, 15:36

does it mess up the game at all? sorry but i'm always cautious when i put cheats into any game

**tai4ji2x** · 04-03-2005, 18:02

Originally Posted by starkhorn

I believe it means Fog of War. :) i.e. there is some sorta cheat code that lets you see the entire map with all pieces and settlements or something like that.

remember that units hiding in the woods will still remain hidden even after you turn off FOW

**Craterus** · 04-03-2005, 22:17

ok thanks...

I tried it out and I'm surprised as to how much the Romans own

lol

**Kraxis** · 04-04-2005, 14:01

It is interesting to notice the various responses here.

There are those that agree with Beefy (I'm happy for you guys).
There are those that see as their job to correct Beefy's views as he is obviously an ignorant that must be taught a lesson.
There are those who doesn't agree with Beefy about the game but who understands that views are subjective, something that is correct to the person who has it.
And finally there are the people who just enter the thread to discuss and have fun (fun being quite relative here

).

I'm definately in the third group. I like the game, but I feel the load/siege-bug is big and bad. I try to lessen its effect by playing long and hard each time before saving and quiting. At the same time I dabble with modding so as to make the game work how I want it to. But in general I try not to enforce my views on other people.
If there are people who are perfectly happy with the game as it is then that is how it should be. Sadly I'm not, and obviously I'm not alone. But just because we don't think the game is as good as it should be does that make it right for us to jump people who think the game is good? Not at all! I think there are a good number of people who have been a bit unfair towards Beefy and his views.