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    Default whats your favourite MTW Mod?

    After seeing the praise that was heaped on VH mod by that wargamer site, i decided i wanted to see what everyones favourite mod is.

    Just post which ones you have played, and which one is your favourite and why. Also, I don't want this turning into a flamathon...friendly banter between fans of mods is ok, but don't go too overboard.

    I have played: XL Mod, BKB Super Mod, Shogun Mod.

    My favourite has to be BKB's super mod. The scope and depth of it make MTW even more enjoyable to play. So many new things to see and play around with, and the amount of blood, sweat and tears gone into it is blatantly obvious.
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    Default Re: whats your favourite MTW Mod?

    I have played both BKB and VH's XL mods. I can relate to your preference for the BKB mod, although I gave up on it, due to stability problems (the game would repeatedly crash on my PC for some odd reason). So I'm currently playing the VH mod, which I also like. Some thoughts:

    BKB mod:
    + Large number of factions
    + The Asian/Russian factions seems more developed
    + Seems more historically correct, with more details.
    - A few odd bugs (for instance, I got attacked in Rum by the English, although I had all surrounding provinces - should be impossible, but alas it happened - and it was not a rebellion)
    - Large load times (at least on my rig)
    - A total overwrite, cannot play original game (AFAIK)
    - Sometimes the vast number of new unit types can be annoying/overwhelming, especially because the real difference between units are limited (there's after all only a few parameters to modify). And you (I) don't want your (my) army to consist of umpteen different unit types, since that makes combining unit fragments more difficult.

    XL mod:
    + Reasoneable load times, and more stable (for me)
    + No or few odd bugs (at least I have not met any yet :-) )
    + The revamped economic system not so dependent of trade.
    - Asian/Russian factions seems under-developed, only a few special units, of which several only apply to the early era.
    +/- Not as huge as BKB in terms of factions and units, but it also IMO makes for a more balanced and focused game.

    I can understand why some call XL mod a "BKB Lite" mod, although I regard XL as a fine piece of work in its own right. At the risk of offending BKB, I would peg XL as the best balanced mod. The BKB mod seems to contain everything the author could think of throwing in it, which for the most part is fine. But as indicated above, sometimes it is almost too much.

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    Default Re: whats your favourite MTW Mod?

    The BKB mod seems to contain everything the author could think of throwing in it, which for the most part is fine. But as indicated above, sometimes it is almost too much.
    I don't mind criticism, but quotes like that are what get to me. There's a lot of people out there who seem to get the allusion that my mod is just pure eye candy. I have not just made new units and added factions; trade and economy have been adjusted with new buildings helping factions money problems, especially the weaker ones. Balancing economies was a painstakingly long process - I doubt any non-modders would have a concept. I have added three new maps for each period which took long arduous hours of getting it as accurate as possible for both historical and gameplay reasons. Hundreds of heroes (which everyone has overlooked) have been added, with every faction in the game having at least one, most having about 8. This took hours of research, all of this in turn sounds a little different to what you have described but hey what do I know.

    Your remark above is saying I have basically threw as much in to the melting pot as possible, giving no time or care to the finished product and just gave it to fans in a sorry state and that, as I'm sure you could understand, really pisses me off. Every piece of criticism I have encountered I have done my best to amend. I searched all the pages of the BKB thread and made sure nothing was missed and I listened and took note of everyone's opinion, whether valued or not.

    Large load times (at least on my rig)
    Thats not really my problem I'm afraid and not really a downfall on the mods part.

    - A total overwrite, cannot play original game (AFAIK)
    Since when the hell was this ever a problem?!? I warned you beforehand, and by this reckoning the Hellenic mod, Middle Earth mod and Napolean mod are bad also.

    Sometimes the vast number of new unit types can be annoying/overwhelming, especially because the real difference between units are limited (there's after all only a few parameters to modify). And you (I) don't want your (my) army to consist of umpteen different unit types, since that makes combining unit fragments more difficult.
    You're essentially saying that there is little or no point to the units I have added. I have made each faction have a wide range of differing units because the original game lumbered alot of faction's units together and that just wasn't accurate. Plus they aren't just 'clones' - these are all new units graphically in some way, and differ statistically. I can see I suppose how the amount of units might be a little "overwhelming", but I am planning a tech tree so that might make things a little clearer for people downloading the mod. A small patch will be released to clear up a few mistakes.

    I think I'm speaking for all modders here when I say that most (non-modders) do not realise how much work goes into a mod and only modders can understand why statements like that would infuriate me.

    And for the record my favourite Medieval mod is the Fall of Rome mod, one which I feel doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

    BKB

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    Default Re: whats your favourite MTW Mod?

    Really like the Shogun Mod, based solely on the fact that I enjoyed STW. Set on Hard the mod is hard, at least for the first 50 years.

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    I've been playing Fall of Rome lately, and I love it.
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    Default Re: whats your favourite MTW Mod?

    BKB, I usually always back up what you say, but I asked in my first post not to turn this into a flamathon. You have gone against this with your response...seriously if a person prefers some other mod over yours, just let it wash off your back. There are a large number who prefer yours over the XL mod, just like myself.

    That is just mikkele's opinion, and i agree with some of the criticisms he levels at you. Your mod can be intimidating to some due to the excessivness of everything, and it is a lot harder than most, which is something i see as a positive.

    Also, why do you say I think I'm speaking for all modders here when I say that most (non-modders) do not realise how much work goes into a mod and only modders can understand why statements like that would infuriate me. He never once said your effort was lacking. He knows that a lot of effort was put into your mod, but thats not the point.

    If you want to say something aggressive in response to a post, please use the PM option instead of letting it out for all to see.
    Last edited by Duke Dick; 04-01-2005 at 19:17.
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    Default Re: whats your favourite MTW Mod?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Blind King of Bohemia
    ... but I am planning a tech tree so that might make things a little clearer for people downloading the mod.
    Sounds great!

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