which formations do you use ?

[Dutch_guy]

I was wondering how your formations look like , and why you put your units in that particular formation, I normally don't put my units in a other formation than what I get when I start a battle ( talking about SP ) don't want to waste time deploying versus an AI army that most of the time isnt really a threat

so please post your ( costum / home made ) formations here !

[Count Belisarius]

With respect, the question is not specific enough for a concise response. My formation depends on what faction I'm playing. For example, with a phalanx army, I usually deploy in a single line to maximize frontage and minimize the possibility of getting flanked. With horse archers, I usually deploy in an inverted crescent with melee cavalry on the wings and try to suck the enemy's center into a crossfire. With a more flexible infantry army, such as Rome, I will deploy heavy on the wings with my best troops in the center and attempt a single- or double-envelopment. Also it depends on my enemy: I may deploy my missile troops forward if I am facing elephants, for example. Cannot really answer this question without more specifics.

[Dutch_guy]

ok Count Belisarius point taken
let's say when playing the Romans how do you line up / put your units when deploying them on the battle map.
versus a standard army that is jusy as big and just as strong ( 1:1 ratio ) and roughly has the same unit types you have.

PS : I thought you answerd the question pretty good, those were petty much the answers I was loking for

[Titus Livius]

I generally only play Rome and Greece, and I use the Double Line formation exclusively.

I would prefer a triple line formation in keeping with the old Roman triplex acies , where you had Hastati in the first line, Principes in the second, and Triarii in the third, but I am not able to field enough units to achieve this.

All of the factions I play against, no matter the culture, either try to flank me (always sending one or two units in an absurd attempt to kill my general) or mount a cavalry charge supported by infantry in the center. In Double Line, the second line of reserves is very effective in backing up the first line or filling large gaps in it. If the enemy flanks and tries to envelope my army, the reserve second line is also effective in blocking these attempts.

[Count Belisarius]

Well I guess it would depend on a number of different variables, such as the the forces available to me, whether I was attacking or defending, the terrain, and the game difficulty setting, but . . . playing as a Roman faction, on defense, facing an enemy of equal numbers and roughly equal capabilities (such as Spain or Carthage, with no elephants), on level open ground, and on H/H difficulty, I usually try to employ an envelopment tactic as follows:

1) skirmishers/archers: a single 3-man deep (2-deep is more effective but just too much frontage) line out in front of my infantry. Harass the enemy infantry into attacking the center. Skirmishers/archers retire behind the reserves when threatened. Got to watch out for enemy cavalry, though, since these archers are valuable.

2) main line: single 4-deep line of principes in the center with double 4-deep lines of hastati on the wings (double envelopment); or, a triple/quadruple 4-deep line of hastati on ONE wing (single envelopment).

3) reserves: triarii (or principes if I don't have any) 4-deep, individual units evenly spaced behind the weaker parts of the main line, to guard against a breakthrough or a successful enemy flanking maneuver.

3) cavalry: I have always been of the opinion that your own cavalry are the best anti-cavalry defense, so I put cavalry on the wings, holding at least one unit in reserve for pursuit.

4) general: among the reserves, but as close to the main line as possible. This makes my troops fight harder and allows him to participate in the battle without getting caught up in a running fight and cut off from support.

Comments: I LOVE a well-executed double envelopment. I don't use Hannibal's version because the Romans are uniformly better troops than the great Carthaginian had at Cannae, and I need not run the risk of having my center broken. I use my strong principes (you could use triarii too, but they're MUCH too valuable) to fix the enemy center, and the overweighted wings to smash one or both of the enemy's flanks, taking his remaining units in the flank and rear. After the flanks start to roll up, the rout is on, and I clean up the mess with whatever cavalry I have left. Roman infantry units are ideally suited for this tactic: they are nimble enough to skirt around the enemy's flank and pack a great punch.

[runes]

"I would prefer a triple line formation in keeping with the old Roman triplex acies , where you had Hastati in the first line, Principes in the second, and Triarii in the third, but I am not able to field enough units to achieve this. "

i've noticed that the AI almost always does this. pretty cool.

[The Stranger]

With respect, the question is not specific enough for a concise response. My formation depends on what faction I'm playing. For example, with a phalanx army, I usually deploy in a single line to maximize frontage and minimize the possibility of getting flanked. With horse archers, I usually deploy in an inverted crescent with melee cavalry on the wings and try to suck the enemy's center into a crossfire. With a more flexible infantry army, such as Rome, I will deploy heavy on the wings with my best troops in the center and attempt a single- or double-envelopment. Also it depends on my enemy: I may deploy my missile troops forward if I am facing elephants, for example. Cannot really answer this question without more specifics.

you saved me typing

[Marcus Maxentius]

What's been working for me real nice for the Gauls is breaking my army into a left wing, center, and right wing sections with archers and general behind and a cav on each wing. I keep my front line straight until I get a close enough to the enemy then I move my right wing forward to attack the enemies left while continuing to advance my left and center. And then right before I proceeed to annhilate the enemy left wing I move my archers to my right side. For some reason, this freaks the AI out and it sends it's right and center to reinforce it's left wing. Then, I can usually flank these units with my left and center. And even if they engaged my left and center, that would work anyways since I want to prevent their wing from being reinforced. I find this pretty effective for me, but calvary heavy armies would worry me with this formation.

My army composition with this formation is 4 Hastati in the Center;, 5 principes on each wing with 3 units in front and 2 units in back; 1 equites on each wing; 3 archers, 1 general.

If I get triarii I might make my wings 3 principes in front and two triarii in back for better cavalry defence.

[The Stranger]

with rome on the defence (other countries with pilum throwing heavy infantry will do to) i always use this formation

2 horizontal rows of 4 heavy infantry in the center
2 diagonal rows of 1 spear unit and 1 heavy infantry behind it on the wings

the rest depends on the situation. this formation almost never fails. even the weakest soldiers can massacre a stronger army

[Conqueror]

When I was playing my first campaign (as the Scipii romans) I ended up building "standard" army stacks that I almost always deployed in the same formation for field battles. I usually had the following units, with some variation to stacks (more cavalry and less artillery for a more mobile stack, replacing 1-2 archers with special units like merc elephants, etc)

1 general [G]
1 wardogs [D]
4 cohorts of "elite" infantry (eg Praetorians) [E]
4 cohorts of "normal" infantry (eg Legionaries) [N]
2 cavalry [C]
4 artillery (onagers) [O]
4 archers [A]

[C][ E ][ E ][ E ][ E ][C]
....[ N ][ N ][ N ][ N ]
[..A..][..A..][..A..][..A..]
.....[O][O][G][O][O]
..............[D]

This suited my style, which is to attack the enemy in the strategy map, move my army to artillery range and bombard them untill they'll either attack me or run away. I don't like using infantry offensively (except in siege battles), I always just make them form a line and put them in guard mode and let the enemy come and fight. The only time I ever move my infantry is when moving the whole formation to take better ground right after deployment, and to move closer to allow my onagers to fire. Their job is to be an inpenetrable wall of steel, while my cavalry and archers do most of the manouvering. It's also easier to maintain control over things when I don't have to worry about micromanaging my infantry much.

Although romans don't use phalanxes, their infantry is still very good for this sort of tactics. Especially with the shower of javelins just before melee contact, which can often rout charging infantry units before they even clash with my line (due to being already weakened by my archers and onagers). Deploying in two lines of cohorts rather than just one long line makes a shorter front but I've found 4 cohorts to be long enough for most battles. The 2nd line is handy as they can step in as fresh reinforcements when my 1st line is beginning to lose. The reason I put my elite in front and normal infantry behind them is that the elites can better withstand the first clash when the enemy charges. By the time I have the 2nd line step forth (if it even comes to that) the enemy units will already be reduced and exhausted so the quality of troops will not matter as much as being fresh and at full strength.

[The Stranger]

artillery makes you move slower, much slower

[Azi Tohak]

I like the checkerboard with my Romans (good old RTR). Velites in front, then Hastati spaced with room for Principes behind in the gaps. Nice and flexible. I use my cav to flank after the AI has rammed its cav into my infantry. Man that is so sad...

Other factions, I used a phalanx with a weighted wing. I like my Cav.

Azi