Poll : Pope or Imperial diet

**Yggdrasill** · 04-04-2005, 12:51

Simply vote, for details about the actual dillema see the 'New thread for centralized data access' thread, pages from 3 onwards.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 04-04-2005, 23:02

I am leaning towards Diet with a non-typical german minion or two to spice things up, but I have not yet decided.

**AssasinsShadow** · 04-05-2005, 01:55

Wow... 2 to 1, imperial over pope. I'm the only one to vote for pope thus far... sigh.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 04-05-2005, 03:06

Everybody who is dedicated enough to one or the other could you please post your opinions, I am leaning towards the HRE but am not 100% certain so it would help to have the pros and cons reiterated in one place where they can be measured and weighed. This will also hopefully help other people who are not confident enough to vote.

**Ignoramus** · 04-05-2005, 03:53

Having the Imperial Diet is a better gameplay choice as well as more historically accurate.

If we had the Italian factions and the Papcy it would make them impregnable. Naples guarding the South, Milan the West, and Venice the North and East.

However, if we had the Imperial Diet and three other German factions, i.e. Saxony, Hapsburgs, and Bavaria, They would have to cooperate to keep themselves alive. As they would be surrounded by Burgundy, Milan, Venice, Kalmar Union, Hungary, and Poland. Then when the civil war happens, you have to defend your borders as well.

The main point is, that Italy is too denfensible.

And the Pope had little power over the Italian states anyway.

So instead of only fighting 1 or 2 enemies at once, you could be fighting 3 or 4.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 04-05-2005, 04:02

Germany was Europe's battleground and with the senate and roman faction's aggressiveness this would be portrayed to some extent.

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