Post here if you're unhappy with CA support

**Julius_Nepos** · 04-06-2005, 16:02

Bhruic has a point here, of course there is no way to know the condition of say, an expansion to RTW, unless someone goes out and buys it to find out. However, my point was more or less that publishers of games are willing to release shoddy product (often over the protests of the developers) since customer complaints will be few, and they'll still buy when the game comes out.

I was just making the point that the only way to ensure games come out with the fewest bugs possible is to NOT accept bug-riddled Games when they hit the shelves. This would involve word-of-mouth and actually convincing a majority of potential buyers not to buy. I don't know how anyone would do that, but if it could be done, AND if people were willing to wait another 6-12 months for their games, then we'd have much better product upon release. In alot of ways it is about changing the attitudes of BOTH the consumer and the publisher.

My excitement about the potential Barbarian Invasion expansion is the fact that it will likely cover the 5th century and the fall of Rome, a period of history of which I'm very familiar. Anyway hope it actually turns out to be what we've been waiting for. Cheers!

**tibilicus** · 04-06-2005, 16:16

i dont meen to offend or grumble at the c.A but im unhappy that they hvnt updated there website. I dont think this belongs in this forum but any way. I would like to se a few more alternate desighns for units e.c.t. I dont want to many as to put peopl of buying an expanshion just a few more skins and also some bug fixers
;)

**tibilicus** · 04-06-2005, 16:17

sorry i forgot to spell check

**Benny Moore** · 04-06-2005, 17:18

I'm certainly not paying Creative Assembly any more.

**Pericles** · 04-06-2005, 17:42

In a game as complex as RTW, one or even two patches will never be enough to fix bugs, especially one that is obvious such as the load/save game bug.

The problem with the load/save game bug means that it will be present in all the mods that are currently being developed for RTW.

What will this do to modding for RTW now?

Should modders return to MTW?

**Rubber Ducky** · 04-06-2005, 19:13

I too am one very unhappy with CA support, especially the long silence and the latest response. "It's a FEATURE, not a bug!" Hah I have to admit that's a good one. Very clever in fact. Dodge the problem and its solved. Reminds me of the pointy hair boss in Dilbert. We should have seen it coming

Now since now they call it a "feature", that means the crappy AI not expanding must be a feature! CA must have thought this is what we all want in the first place and *purposely* make the AI the way it is. In that case, I will not even consider buying another CA game in the future, because CA thought we like dumb games or whatever. I urge you all to do the same! CA just said it is a feature and NOT a bug, it tells a lot what kind of games they will make in the future.

**Pode** · 04-07-2005, 00:37

You wouldn't know it from the title, but the Your Homework for Today thread actually contains a very good idea on this issue IMHO. Post a review of RTW on Amazon, now that you know about the load bug and CA's response to it. Maybe CA marketing will start to wonder why the average rating for their product took a nosedive and exert pressure on the devs to actually run the tests we asked for and see the bug for themselves.

**Rubber Ducky** · 04-07-2005, 10:35

Guys now I know why they included this "feature"! Whenever we decided to lay siege to the CA building, they would just hit reload and we're gone!

**danimal** · 04-07-2005, 13:03

The directors of CA should grow some balls and sack some of the idiots responsible for

a/ Mismanaging the project so that its initial release was below an acceptable standard

b/ Mismanaging the QA on both initial and patch release so that it was below an acceptable standard

c/ Deciding that remaining bugs should be fixed in an expansion pack so we have to pay £20 more is acceptable

d/ This absolute crappy nonsense and propaganda fest we are being fed currently about 'its a feature' and 'there is no bug'. Has CA been bought out by a political part cos thats how they are acting.

Grow some balls CA. If i was responsible for these shortfalls i would expect the sack, hold my hands up and say "sorry guys I f**ked up" burt there contined behaviour is an insult to all who have ever supported TW. GGGGGRRRRRR

How about a public apology or at least some more conversation in the forums like 'the good old days'. They would only gain respect from that.

**thelordskinner** · 04-08-2005, 03:51

Can onwe of yous tell me how to contact one of them?

**Hannibal Barcode** · 04-07-2005, 02:01

Julius Nepos is quite right: Game companies only get away with releasing unfinished products because indiscriminate consumers buy them. This won't change any time soon, so the best thing we can do is chill out and sit on the sidelines when the next GOTTAGETIT!!! product comes out. If it survives examination by the eager involuntary beta testers, then fine, let's buy it. If not, well, there's always the next prospect. Meanwhile there are plenty of other, better games to play. And in the unlikely event we temporarily run out of good games, as a last resort we can always spend some time with the spouse and kids.

On a more personal note, I'd like to thank all the involuntary RTW beta testers for saving me considerable $, time, frustration, and disappointment on a game I was eagerly anticipating. I hope they draw some consolation from the knowledge that their sacrifices have not been in vain.