swords

[jerby]

no more leafe shaped swords? NO!!!!!.
the early gladius was leaf shaped and so were greek sword i believe...pitty
anybody got a source? and EB members got an answer?

concerning throwing the spear: the site below the picture states

"The spear which was used by the hoplites of the Spartan infantry. The Spartan soldiers relied heavily on their long spears .The spear could either be thrown, or used in hand combat. It was usually thrown before engaging the enemy with swords.
Excellent realistic feeling
Length : 8 ft. (2,45 m)"

it is a market-site. but maybe it's true. anybodt got ideas for implementing? anybody got different source?

[Sarcasm]

no more leafe shaped swords? NO!!!!!.
the early gladius was leaf shaped and so were greek sword i believe...pitty
anybody got a source? and EB members got an answer?

Here are the shapes of the main gladius types (there are others....).

Hoplite shortswords from earlier times (500BC) are what you are refering to as "leaf-shaped greek sword"....though they might have been used till much later...

Here´s an interesting discussion for you and a an overall nice site...

Greek Swords, 500 BC

Hellenistic swords in this time must have been either longer for hoplites(Iphikatrean reforms) or more like a large knife for most of the Pikemen.

concerning throwing the spear: the site below the picture states

"The spear which was used by the hoplites of the Spartan infantry. The Spartan soldiers relied heavily on their long spears .The spear could either be thrown, or used in hand combat. It was usually thrown before engaging the enemy with swords.
Excellent realistic feeling
Length : 8 ft. (2,45 m)"

Spartans used the classical hoplite, probably all the way to the 3rd century, when they are said to have been rearmed as pikeman (in the Macedonian style) in the reign of Cleomenes III.....before, as far as I know, they used an overhand thrusting spear, of about 2.5m so at least the length is about right.

Although Spartans were reputed as good sword fighters, their main weapon was the spear, so I doubt they would discard it like that (I can´t think of any source that states that they threw it). Throwing spears were used by line infantry but in much earlier Greek history, AFAIK. Akontistai, Peltastai (rearmed light hoplites), Ekdromoi, Thorakitai and Thureophoroi took the role of throwing missiles on the enemy line in later history.

[jerby]

Here are the shapes of the main gladius types (there are others....).

Hoplite shortswords from earlier times (500BC) are what you are refering to as "leaf-shaped greek sword"....though they might have been used till much later...

Here´s an interesting discussion for you and a an overall nice site...

Greek Swords, 500 BC

Hellenistic swords in this time must have been either longer for hoplites(Iphikatrean reforms) or more like a large knife for most of the Pikemen.

your picture doesn;t work... but I get the picture

[Sarcasm]

The site went down after I posted, so we´ll have to w8 a while before the image goes up again.

[jerby]

jup i see it. your right. by the time of this game the glaidus is straight. so if the picture is right. the the gladius is a 20 inch blade. that gives us about 55cm. s the gladius should be lengthed a bit in ebtw

[econ21]

I agree with Jerby that the RTW gladius looks too short and silly, but that's just a casual impression[1]. I'd be interested to know what EBs historians and modellers have concluded about this. I've not been following the project as closely as I'd like so I may have missed a discussion of this.

[1]Has any modder measured the length of the gladius as depicted in RTWs original graphics and compared it with historical measurements?

[Sarcasm]

It is, aparently, a bit shorter than it is supposed to, yes.

[jerby]

Here are the shapes of the main gladius types (there are others....).

Hoplite shortswords from earlier times (500BC) are what you are refering to as "leaf-shaped greek sword"....though they might have been used till much later...

Here´s an interesting discussion for you and a an overall nice site...

Greek Swords, 500 BC

Hellenistic swords in this time must have been either longer for hoplites(Iphikatrean reforms) or more like a large knife for most of the Pikemen.

your picture doesn;t work... but I get the picture

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

concerning throwing the spear: the site below the picture states

"The spear which was used by the hoplites of the Spartan infantry. The Spartan soldiers relied heavily on their long spears .The spear could either be thrown, or used in hand combat. It was usually thrown before engaging the enemy with swords.
Excellent realistic feeling
Length : 8 ft. (2,45 m)"

it is a market-site. but maybe it's true. anybodt got ideas for implementing? anybody got different source?

Don't believe everything you read or hear. That is totally wrong.