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    Default WYSIWYG Graphic Correction Pack - opportunity for beginner skinners

    The WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) Graphic Correction pack


    Concept
    The WYSIWYG graphic correction pack will address the discrepancies between unit stats and appearance by bringing the ‘look’ of the unit in line with its stats.

    Background
    In Rome Total War there are numerous examples where the unit’s stats don’t match the unit’s graphics, such as where the unit physically has a shield but gets no shield bonus. This leads to anti-intuitive play because some units do not respond to battle in the way that they appear they should.

    Attempts to correct these discrepancies by changing the stats always run into the same problem: the cost. Even if the stats are wrong, the unit appears to have been costed fairly based on those stats. So if, for example, the unit gets a shield bonus is shouldn’t have (because it doesn’t carry a shield) then how do we compensate for the removal of that bonus? Do we lower the cost? Do we raise another attribute? By how much? As so much of this comes down to preference, it has proved impossible to get a general consensus on how the units should be changed.

    This pack, therefore, will provide a purely graphical solution to the discrepancies between the unit stats and unit appearance – so players can play with the original CA stats yet have their units properly reflected on the battlefield.

    For example: the armoured Pontic general bodyguard unit model carries a shield, and yet they have no shield bonus. WYSIWYG solution: remove the shield!

    Code:
    stat_pri_armour  9, 6, 0, metal


    Scope
    A list of the figures that are planned to be altered is included below, divided into different categories by the anticipated complexity of the alterations proposed. None of the adjustments to individual skins (with the exception of a few of the tier 3 entries) should take more than an hour and many should be much quicker.

    The WYSIWYG attitude is to try and change as little as possible in order to achieve a fair representation. It will also keep to the unit and faction style created by CA so that the new skins blend seamlessly into the game. The alterations are therefore _not_ concerned with (nor try to achieve) historical authenticity.

    None of the adjustments are anticipated to take more than half an hour to an hour and we will be looking as far as possible to reuse elements from other models in the same faction. This makes it an ideal project for new skinners who are just learning their skills and what to become involved in a team.

    Beginner Skinners Wanted
    Most of the individual alterations are not complicated, but there are quite a few of them! While I’ll happily accept the help of anyone offering it, I thought it might be especially beneficial to new skinners who perhaps want to contribute to a project, but perhaps don’t have the time or the confidence to approach one of the larger conversion mods.

    All you need to become involved in this is the desire to help and the practical ability to manipulate skins (ie, the software you need to do it).

    If you’re interested in taking on any of the units listed below then send me a PM and we can discuss the planned alterations.

    If you’re not interested in skinning one of the units but you’d like to contribute to the discussion about where discrepancies exist then please visit this thread as the Forge is not the proper place for such a debate.

    This list will be kept updated as work begins and is completed on the units. Interested in taking one on? Send me a PM.

    Tier 1
    In progress - German/Scythian Axe Warband
    Completed - Woad Warriors
    Completed - Briton Light Chariots
    Completed - Briton Heavy Chariots
    Completed - Rebel Heavy Chariots
    Completed - Dacian & Scythian war machine crew
    Completed - Pontic general



    Tier 2 - swapping or adjusting skin elements
    Briton/Dacian/Gaul/Rebel warbands
    German spear warband
    Briton/Gaul Swordsmen
    Dacian/Thracian Falxmen
    Night Raiders
    Dacian/Gaul/German/Scythian/Rebel/Mercenary barbarian cavalry
    Dacian/Gaul/German/Scythian/Rebel early barbarian warlord
    Completed - Numidian archers
    Numidian /Armenian legionaries
    Completed - Cataphract archers
    Parthian/Armenian horse archers
    Light Lancers
    Barbarian rebel general
    Judean Zealots
    Mercenary Eastern Infantry
    Thracian bodyguard

    Tier 3 – mostly small changes, but which may require using another model’s cas files or even modelling a new element from scratch (eg, a shield)
    Gothic cavalry
    Round Shield Cavalry
    Armenian Heavy Spearmen
    Pontic Pikemen
    Pontic Light Cavalry
    Pontic Heavy Cavalry
    Cappodocian Cavalry
    Desert Axemen
    Pharoah's Guard
    Egyptian chariot
    Desert Raiders
    Greek Cavalry
    Samnite gladiators
    Mirmillo gladiators
    Equites
    Cavalry Auxilia
    Roman General early
    Generic Rebel General
    Mercenary Numidian Cavalry

    Looking forwards…
    Ultimately, it is hoped that the WYSIWYG pack will become a useful addition for experienced players annoyed by the game’s inconsistencies and wanting a better representation of their troops on the field. Individual skins will be freely available for players who just want to correct a few units and the pack itself will be open to be incorporated in other future modifications.
    Last edited by Epistolary Richard; 04-10-2005 at 03:16.
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    Default Re: WYSIWYG Graphic Correction Pack - opportunity for beginner skinners

    Sorry, is this against the rules reviving such an old thread (11 days) but, Richard, The skins I'm doing for you are going OK thus far. Leather armour is really easy to do

    I'll post screens of some of them tomorrow if you want?

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    Default Re: WYSIWYG Graphic Correction Pack - opportunity for beginner skinners

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ferret
    Sorry, is this against the rules reviving such an old thread
    Far from it, as each mod is only developed in a single thread they will often only have updates once a fortnight or even once a month or more. This is not a 'chatting' forum where dormant conversations should be left to die, it's a 'project' forum where necessarily progress is sometimes sporadic or takes place off the forum.

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    If they don't, then Cool mod-users use the Mod Enabler (JSGME)
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    Default Re: WYSIWYG Graphic Correction Pack - opportunity for beginner skinners

    A good project, certainly something that all realism/gamplay mods could include.

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    Great, just wasn't sure. I'll get some screens out in a sec.

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