Disloyal General

**Ivar the Terrible** · 04-09-2005, 23:45

I have a disloyal 5 star general. I have heard that it would be good to try him for treason or as a heretic or assassinate him, etc.

What happens if you just disband his unit?

**ichi** · 04-10-2005, 00:12

The entire unit is lost.

TBH I disband a lot. If you disband you lose the entire unit, as opposed to trying the gen for treason or frying him as a heretic or assassinating him, where you keep the unit but lose the gen.

If you want to keep the gen alive, drop an emissary to remove any titles. If he's disloyal, but him in the King's stack.

If the gen is a 5 star peasant (or other unit without appeal) then simply disband.

When you say he is disloyal, does he have a vice or just low loyalty? If he is worth keeping maybe you can get his loyalty up a little with titles or perhaps, give him your little girl's hand.

ichi

**Ivar the Terrible** · 04-11-2005, 00:12

He was once a prince but became a regular royal knight when his brother's son came of age so the unit is 20 Royal Knights which I can't replace yet.

His best atribute is command 5. The rest are loyalty 2, piety 2, dread 2, acumen 3. He is a Great Warrior giving him +5 health. Unfortunarely he is also a Sybarite giving -2 valour leaving him with 1 valour.

I think I'll keep him around with the King until I can get a Princess for him to marry.

Thanks for the advice Ichi.

**IrishMike** · 04-11-2005, 00:35

Yup if he is with the kings stack I don't think he can start up trouble with civil wars and such. Just make sure your king has a influence at or over 4 and things will slowly improve.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 04-11-2005, 03:08

You could always just give him a title that bumps up loyalty and hope his loyalty keeps going up, especially after he marries into "The Family."

**Ash** · 04-11-2005, 11:17

But as soon as the King dies the general will loose loyalty again IIRC.

**ajaxfetish** · 04-11-2005, 19:32

The one downside to having him in the king's stack is that the 5 command stars won't mean anything. Even if the king is a worse commander he'll still lead the battle by default, though if you have more than 16 units in the battle you can remedy that by moving the king down into the reinforcements and letting your disloyal ex-prince be the highest remaining commander

**Procrustes** · 04-11-2005, 20:25

I tend to hang onto those guys - their loyalty generally will improve with time, especially if you use princesses and/or titles. (Five stars is just too good to throw away.) Even disloyal generals won't rebel all that often unless your whole empire is in trouble.

If you don't want to leave him under the king or in a stack with a similar or better general, one other trick is to leave him in a stack by himself during turns when he isn't leading an attack - that way if he rebels he won't take an army with him.