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    Finland and the better part of Poland belonged to czarist Russia prior to WWI.
    Just imagine what happens if the Mexicans recall what their borders prior to 1830s were.
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    Just imagine what happens if the Mexicans recall what their borders prior to 1830s were.
    Arent we hearing this same sort of thing from radical Muslims ? They want Spain back and many other lands they once conquered.
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    Roger that.

    I was just answering some comments that the Soviet agression 1939-40 on Poland, Finland, etc. was not an agression since these territories happened to be part of Russia prior to 1917.

    In my book, it was just an unprovoked and unjustified landgrab.
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    In my book, it was just an unprovoked and unjustified landgrab.[/QUOTE]

    What is this book ? Maybe I could read it.
    During my time here ( the UK) I have discovered that almost every book with some data about Poland is biased or wrong many times - sometimes these are worth less than fairy tales (at lest these are intentionally not real)

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    My favourite WWII "What if?" is to do with Britain. What if the UK had chosen to be neutral in WWII? It's certainly not that radical a suggestion. Hitler was far from unpopular in the mid to late 30s on both sides of the Atlantic. What if the British had decided that Hitler could be a tool to get rid of the greater menace, the Soviet Union? Then how do things stand? It opens up a number of interesting possibilities.

    The defeat of Russia is now almost a certainty. Europe is pretty much left with a dominant Germany. The fun comes in the Pacific. The US had been badgering Japan for a while. What happens now though? With Britain neutral and nominally in the Germans camp, the US strategic position looks bleak indeed. Even with rapid militarization, could the US fight off the Japanese and Germans, while having to consider the possibility of the British becoming hostile? Or would be forced to climb down from its antagonistic Japanese policies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morat
    My favourite WWII "What if?" is to do with Britain. What if the UK had chosen to be neutral in WWII? It's certainly not that radical a suggestion. Hitler was far from unpopular in the mid to late 30s on both sides of the Atlantic. What if the British had decided that Hitler could be a tool to get rid of the greater menace, the Soviet Union? Then how do things stand? It opens up a number of interesting possibilities.

    The defeat of Russia is now almost a certainty. Europe is pretty much left with a dominant Germany. The fun comes in the Pacific. The US had been badgering Japan for a while. What happens now though? With Britain neutral and nominally in the Germans camp, the US strategic position looks bleak indeed. Even with rapid militarization, could the US fight off the Japanese and Germans, while having to consider the possibility of the British becoming hostile? Or would be forced to climb down from its antagonistic Japanese policies?

    That an easy one I guess. The alliance between Japan and Germany was not very close. 1st it was against ths USSR. 2nd every side hoped that this alliance would prevent an attack of the US. Hitler would not have done anything to help the Japanese. He might even helped the British to protect their colonies. One reason that he didn't want to invade the UK was that he didn't want that the Japonese get their colonies.

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    Here is another one:

    What if Stalin had acted different at the end of WW2? If he didn't allow to kill German civilists and to rape German women. If he didn't take industrial equipment and shipped it to the USSR. If he helped Germany's build up? If he didn't send millions of POW to Sibiria for many years, were many died from hunger cold and work? What if he sent them to Crimea, giving them lots of food, showing them the crimes that Germans did in the USSR and teaching them communism? Them releasing them into the German towns that were completely destroyed by British and US bombers? If he didn't want to devide Germany?

    I guess Germany would have become a communist country as well. That might have had big impact on Italy and France too, were communism was always strong. With these three countries the industrial power of the communist countries would have been much bigger than from the capitalistic ones. Or maybe the US would have attacked Germany when they saw that they were becoming communist?

    How would the world look like today if Stalin would have chosen to go this way?

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