4 What ifs

[Browning]

So according to the logic used on this debate Poland beat Russia even if it took a mere 400 years without the poles killing any russians to gain the final victory just as no Americans were killed at the time of our defeat.

How do you see that Poland beat Russia?

During the 400 years mentioned by you, Poland (regarding the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth of 1600s as "Poland") lost like 80% of its territory to Russia and the nation was decapitated.

The Kingdom of Poland, the Commonwealth of Both Nations is not there anymore and will never be, while Russia is there, as imperial and power hungry as ever.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

How do you see that Poland beat Russia?

During the 400 years mentioned by you, Poland (regarding the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth of 1600s as "Poland") lost like 80% of its territory to Russia and the nation was decapitated.

The Kingdom of Poland, the Commonwealth of Both Nations is not there anymore and will never be, while Russia is there, as imperial and power hungry as ever.

The same way people in the backroom see the US losing the Vietnam war.Russias aim was to take over all of Poland and they succeeded for a time but in the end they failed and Poland is once more a nation just as we failed to stop the North from taking the south and are blamed for it even though we had already left. Itseems to me that these two countries never lost their aggression towards eachother throughout that whole 400 year period. Sorry to drag backroom material into this place. But go check t out if you like.