Marian reforms in 1.2

**Viking** · 04-14-2005, 17:33

The game would be better if they went back to the old system (and made it work

) , I agree.

When playing as a barbarian faction, you would get the improved bodyguards before your civilized neighbours, a benefit that the barbarians would deserve.

**Magraev** · 04-14-2005, 22:10

Originally Posted by Viking

The game would be better if they went back to the old system (and made it work

) , I agree.

When playing as a barbarian faction, you would get the improved bodyguards before your civilized neighbours, a benefit that the barbarians would deserve.

Why on earth should the barbarians get high-tech armor before their more advanced civilized neighbours? That makes no sense to me.

In my latest game as the gauls I eliminated the romans before the marian reforms, but I'm not really missing the armored generals since it's equal for all.

I do agree, that they could set a date for those generals, or let each civilization get it when their first city gets above 12.000 inhabitants or something.

**Viking** · 04-15-2005, 13:39

The barbarian generals don`t get high-tech armour, they get a carefully chosen unit with more armour as bodyguards.

The improved bodyguard unit is named "Chosen Warlord", not "Armoured General", wich make the great difference.
These bodyguards were the best armoured soldiers in the cavalry ranks.

**Magraev** · 04-15-2005, 13:48

I just can't see the sense in the germans being more deserving of a better bodyguard unit (much of the improvement is tied to better armor and weapons) than say the macedonians.

The bodyguards of the barbarians are already better than the greek ones (at least I'm pretty sure), and I just cant see the reasoning for them getting improved faster.

**Viking** · 04-15-2005, 14:03

First of all, the upgrade is not tied to weapons at all(unfortunately).

The barbarians are much more used to war and warfare(they go around and kill each other everyday), then the civilized people(therefore they are more advanced since they know how to co-operate).

Already, the barbarians get more advanced infantry and archers than the civilized factions(chosen swordsmen, chosen archer warband, berserkers++).

**player1** · 04-15-2005, 14:05

Well, at what level barbs get thier good armored noble cavalry? At 3rd city level.

At what level macedons get their havy cavalry?
At 5th city level.

**Barbarossa82** · 04-15-2005, 14:11

I think the bodyguards should be upgraded when the faction reaches the apogee of its development. For barbarians, that would be third city level, and fifth for civilised factions.
I can see the argument that there should be a level playing field. What really matters to me is that the upgrade should be triggered by that faction's level of development, not that of the Romans.

**Viking** · 04-15-2005, 14:28

Originally Posted by player1

Well, at what level barbs get thier good armored noble cavalry? At 3rd city level.

At what level macedons get their havy cavalry?
At 5th city level.

My point!

**Beefy** · 04-15-2005, 23:51

My Marius Reforms still havent happened yet.

I've got an Imperial Palace in Capua

Its past 220BC its now 194BC

Will it ever happen? i want some decent flippin cavlary!