Marian reforms in 1.2

[MajorFreak]

so to be the dissenter here, but i actually prefer having the ability to avoid marius' reforms and still be able to build imperial palace level support buildings. Not to mention the fact i've always preferred elite spear units like the Triarii over sword-class units, especially versus cavalry. (along with the mod for phalanx for triarii makes my game alot more enjoyable)

[Rodion Romanovich]

Yeah, you can still train the praetorians and hire sarmatians even if you don't get the marius reform... And if you have praetorians, what's the point of legionary cohorts and early legionary cohorts? Only if you get urban cohorts is there any difference, but that difference is not easy to spot because praetorians are already so much superior to all other sword armed units in the game.

[MajorFreak]

eggzactly! I've been holding off building that damn imperial palace for decades simply because of the old way. now i'm certainly going for the palaces outside italy! If i can get praetorians it'll make the game more interesting because it'll mean i have a unit that can't be easily retrained, without going with RTR.

course the damn senate's probably going to build an imperial palace at some point, and there's no way to sabotage it. rats.

FYI, the legions' tactics were eventually made obsolete by the heavy gothic cavalry of pre-darkage times. The fact is that i totally hate the sword biased roman legion and have always adored pike formations versus cavalry - why they never kept the triarii and had crappy cavalry i'll never know. How the HELL do you hold the line against cavalry armed with only a bloody short sword?

[player1]

Yeah, you can still train the praetorians and hire sarmatians even if you don't get the marius reform... And if you have praetorians, what's the point of legionary cohorts and early legionary cohorts? Only if you get urban cohorts is there any difference, but that difference is not easy to spot because praetorians are already so much superior to all other sword armed units in the game.

That's why I call pre-marian pretorians a bug.
They were ok, before 1.2, since you would get reforem after IP, but after 1.2 they are just weird.

[Barbarossa82]

Shall we contribute this to the thread about CA asking for bug reports? Perhaps on two grounds:

1) Inability of non-Roman factions to upgrade their own generals' bodyguards independently of the Romans
2) Praetorian availability before Reforms.

Arguably No. 1 isn't a bug but a very questionable design decision...nevertheless, shall we stick it in there?

[Viking]

There have allredy been anounced several issues there, so why not this one?

You got my support!

I`d really liked to have this in the expansion.

[Fisherking]

Well I know I have not seen the reforms occur sense 1.2 came out when playing the Romans.... It has occurred a few times when I was playing a different faction but not often. It could be due to the way I play but they are a much tougher opponent with them... It might have been better to have left them alone LOL.