Disappearing armies ?

[PilotusH]

Playing as Egypt medium/medium, 1.2 patch, I am in the middle of a war of attrition against the Scipii in North Africa.

Last night I had 3 stacks lined up against 3 stacks of Scipii in the red zone. They attacked my weakest stack and I got the usual pre battle notice of reinforcements available.

When I started the battle I got a message that the reinforcements wouldn’t arrive in time or something like that, My solitary weak stack was soundly beaten.

After the battle my other two stacks had also disappeared from the campaign map, but I got a 20 thousand dinari jump in the end of turn report, while I have been making only a few hundred per turn.

Anyone know what’s going on here ?

[IliaDN]

Never had such a sh#t

[Viking]

I seems that because you lost the battle, your reinforcements got killed too, becaus of a bug.

But where those money came frome is harder to explain

[The Stranger]

Playing as Egypt medium/medium, 1.2 patch, I am in the middle of a war of attrition against the Scipii in North Africa.

Last night I had 3 stacks lined up against 3 stacks of Scipii in the red zone. They attacked my weakest stack and I got the usual pre battle notice of reinforcements available.

When I started the battle I got a message that the reinforcements wouldn’t arrive in time or something like that, My solitary weak stack was soundly beaten.

After the battle my other two stacks had also disappeared from the campaign map, but I got a 20 thousand dinari jump in the end of turn report, while I have been making only a few hundred per turn.

Anyone know what’s going on here ?

the money probably comes becaus you don't have to pay for that army, what happened to your army???

[PilotusH]

That's what I'd like to know.

They were meant to be my reinforcements, but never turned up for the battle.

However because my one stack was soundly beaten they seem to have got destroyed aswell.

20 k on one turn upkeep ! That's expensive. I don't think that's it because I've gone back to a few hundred per turn. Seems like it was a one off compensation for losing 2 stacks which never fought on battle and somehow disappeared.

I've not been saving much in this campaign, but fortunately I had a couple of turns before this happened. I really needed those armies so I reloaded. Of course the Scipii stacks all moved when I reloaded and didn't attack, so now it's panning out differently and I'm beating them.

[mxlm]

I seem to recall someone posting about that disappearing army thing before.

I guess the lesson is, if you have a small army that's going to be reinforced by a large one, and the large one doesn't show, run away. Run away real far, real fast.

Or, you could regard it as a feature. Uh...your newly arriving army encountered the fleeing remnants of the first army, and the panic was contagious. All your men ran, and were hunted down like dogs by the opposition. Yeah. That's the ticket.

[Kekvit Irae]

Did you check nearby fleets to see if the armies ran to them? And yes, armies retreat a great distance more than their movement allows, so search around. Or, it might be that being three stacks versus three stacks, the reinforcements were cut down in retreat by the opposing army if they didnt have anywhere to run to due to being in the ZoC of the enemy (yes, I'm a CivII/III fan)

[screwtype]

LOL, you've just found the bug that caused me to quit playing the game a couple of weeks after I first bought it. Exactly the same thing happened to me, except that my reinforcements *did* arrive on the battlefield but then somehow got "stuck" on the red line border and didn't move or help me at all in the battle, which I lost.

Back to the campaign map, and all three of my armies have disappeared. After that I couldn't be bothered playing anymore.

However, this was playing with version 1.1, I haven't had the same problem since installing 1.2. But then again, I don't think I've had any big battles like that either

[The Stranger]

did you had the skull picture cause then the army is eliminated.

[ToranagaSama]

Yup, this is some sort of BIG bug. I thought it had been fixed with the patch??

[Vanya]

GAH!

Vanya once had one of his Carthaginian armies disappear shortly after they were loaded onto a ship. "GAH!" Vanya exclaimed with much fury, for that postponed his invasion plans.

A week later, when Vanya fired up da game... poof! The army appeared! As it turned out, they had been hinding out in the galleys all along! Vanya's empty boats were once again full! And invasion hence launched now had an unexpected boost of reinforcements!

GAH!

[Viking]

LOL, you've just found the bug that caused me to quit playing the game a couple of weeks after I first bought it. Exactly the same thing happened to me, except that my reinforcements *did* arrive on the battlefield but then somehow got "stuck" on the red line border and didn't move or help me at all in the battle, which I lost.

Back to the campaign map, and all three of my armies have disappeared. After that I couldn't be bothered playing anymore.

However, this was playing with version 1.1, I haven't had the same problem since installing 1.2. But then again, I don't think I've had any big battles like that either

If your reinforcements are led by a captain, then they can`t join the battle before you have lost one of your units.

[Intrepid Sidekick]

You haven't provided all the details but it may be that your other armies were in fact bribed away from you by the enemy?
Even if they were commanded by generals this could still happen. It was the AI's turn.

The delay of reinforcements is a feature. Communications in the ancient world were not fantastic.

Intrepid Sidekick

#C.A. Staff#

[ZZR Puig]

I'm not sure if this is what happened, but when I attack an army that has reinforments nearby the reinforcing army appears with an small icon that means that it cannot retreat (v1.2). If I win the battle the enemy is destroyed even if he manages to flee.

I have never had the change to verify that it works like this, as I give the enemy no chance to flee , but it's supposed to. What happened to you may be the same situation in the opposite direction, although I think that if your reinforments don't arrive they couldn't be beaten neither, so that seems to be some kind of mistake or bug of the game.

Hope this helps.

[HarunTaiwan]

Intrepid Sidekick,

Now, that is a feature I like. The uncertainty of reinforcements is great. They sometimes do arrive just late.

Do they ever arrive already fatigued from forced marching, etc.?

[screwtype]

You haven't provided all the details but it may be that your other armies were in fact bribed away from you by the enemy?
Even if they were commanded by generals this could still happen. It was the AI's turn.

That's a possibility I didn't consider, but if the armies are bribed away there should be a message to that end. You shouldn't just come back to the campaign map and find that two entire stacks have vanished up in smoke!

And anyhow, in my case the two reinforcing armies actually appeared on the field. They just didn't do anything. And when I returned to the campaign map, they were gone. If it was bribery, wouldn't it have occurred before the battle began, so that the armies didn't appear at all?

The delay of reinforcements is a feature. Communications in the ancient world were not fantastic.

Yes, I've always understood that, and I fully support this feature. It's quite logical that sometimes reinforcements might not arrive on time.

[ZZR Puig]

The fact that the reinforcing armies haven't entered the field might have been caused because you didn't check the AI controled box at the begining of the battle. If you did it's odd that they behave like that. The reinforments are waiting to enter the battle only if you desired to control them personally, so you have to leave one or more of the 20 slots free for a reinforment to join. If you let the AI control them they should enter instantly if they arrive in time.

About the dissapearance, haven't you checked the possibility that they were destroyed because they were unable to flee as I mentioned previously?

[screwtype]

If your reinforcements are led by a captain, then they can`t join the battle before you have lost one of your units.

No, my two full stack armies were BOTH led by generals. I made sure of that because I intended to use all three stacks to attack the city at once.