My Billmen

**Budwise** · 04-16-2005, 12:33

Okay, maybe its all the crack talking but for some reason, my Billmen seem to clean up EVERYTHING. Honestly, when I walked into a battle, it seems at the very least they are breaking even. If any, are their any counters for them or did I stumble on to something great. If no counters, I know what I am using my next game online.

I do know they are like Halbearers but I have seen my Halbearers get the shit kicked out of them while the Billmen stand firm.

**Zarax** · 04-16-2005, 14:38

Any archer unit can cause serious pain to the billmen, especially mounted crossbowmen.
I think ghazis, gallowglasses and the like can also give them serious problems.
Swiss halbs can also defeat them as they are pumped up billmen (or bills are toned down swiss halbs).

**cutepuppy** · 04-16-2005, 16:58

Originally Posted by Budwise

Okay, maybe its all the crack talking but for some reason, my Billmen seem to clean up EVERYTHING. Honestly, when I walked into a battle, it seems at the very least they are breaking even. If any, are their any counters for them or did I stumble on to something great. If no counters, I know what I am using my next game online.

I do know they are like Halbearers but I have seen my Halbearers get the shit kicked out of them while the Billmen stand firm.

Are your billmen trained in mercia with a master spearmaker? If so they get a +2 valor bonus and they are comparable with chivalric foor knights (same attack, defence, bonus vs. cav, but slightly lower morale and armour). So it is quite normal they mop up everything.

**IrishMike** · 04-16-2005, 20:15

I have personally always loved Billmen ever after they won a important mp battle for me. The most important thing to remeber is that Billmen are not militia, they are soldiers and a little more on the professonal side. That means that they will be tougher and more hardened.

**Budwise** · 04-16-2005, 21:04

Originally Posted by cutepuppy

Are your billmen trained in mercia with a master spearmaker? If so they get a +2 valor bonus and they are comparable with chivalric foor knights (same attack, defence, bonus vs. cav, but slightly lower morale and armour). So it is quite normal they mop up everything.

No, after I found out how effective they are, I build them everywhere and use them as my frontline. Yeah, now I seem them losing but all I did was flank the unit doing it and still won.

BUT I LOST THE GAME DUE TO NO HEIRS. SOAB

**Budwise** · 04-17-2005, 08:45

Hey, my Billmen finally got their asses beat. AGAINST BOYARS, OMG, I was so shocked. But it took all the way to get to Russia to have it happen.

**Zarax** · 04-17-2005, 09:04

Horse archers are the bane of any non heavily armored infantry, had you got halbs it wouldn't have happened.

**Budwise** · 04-17-2005, 09:09

NO NO NO, their bows didn't do me in, it was ACTUAL Fighting the Boyars. Don't quote me because even I have seen the stats of the two units but I honestly think a Billmen unit would own the Halberers. I have always had a better outcome with them.

**Ash** · 04-19-2005, 10:35

Originally Posted by Budwise

Okay, maybe its all the crack talking but for some reason, my Billmen seem to clean up EVERYTHING.

They great against a lot of units. They were made for armour-spanking...:) Just like Longbowmen.

I use Billmen instead of swordsmen in my English campaign. I prefer to use CS as pinning units while my Billmen leap into the gaps, with my cavalry flanking/chasing annoying skirmish units.

**claymore** · 04-21-2005, 13:57

Billmen are the weapon of choice in my army, I only use them with longbowmen and whatever Knights I have at the time - usually Royal + Feudal - sometimes chivalric, sometimes not even with any cavalry save a generals unit. Playing as English I usually pump them out of Mercia with master speaker maker and master armourer and then send them to Navarre or Sweden to upgrade the weapons with the iron.

The golden horde can prove a bit of a problem as I think everyone in their army fires at you - you take a lot of casualties but the Billmen just chew through everything by the end!

**mfberg** · 04-22-2005, 15:38

The golden horde can prove a bit of a problem as I think everyone in their army fires at you - you take a lot of casualties but the Billmen just chew through everything by the end!

Put them in any forest and decrease your casualties, or include halbs as pincushions.

mfberg