Can't Build Grand Mosque?

**Poleaxe** · 04-22-2005, 04:17

I have a few provinces where I have everything I need, I think, to build a Grand Mosque yet it never shows up in the build queue. The only place I have been able to build one is Arabia. What am I doing wrong?

**ajaxfetish** · 04-22-2005, 04:27

You're only allowed one grand mosque. Same goes for a cathedral if you're Catholic, and for a few of the other buildings. You can build a grand mosque in another location if you destroy the one in Arabia, though there's only one good reason to do so that I know of. If you're playing as the Turks you need a grand mosque as a prerequisite to the military academy, which you need to build janissaries. You can only have one grand mosque, but the same does not go for military academies, so you can build the mosque, then the academy, then destroy the mosque and build it elsewhere to get an academy there as well, so you can have multiple janissary farms.

**Poleaxe** · 05-03-2005, 19:07

Forgot to give you a big thanks Ajax, that's what I was missing.

**kiwitt** · 05-03-2005, 23:52

Ajax, I have done that as you suggested, however, I can't help but see that as exploiting a flaw in the game. I think the designers saw that the JHI were too powerful and limiting them to one province for production, gives a little more balance to the game. They probably didn't expect people to build multiple academies.

**Etym** · 05-04-2005, 00:36

Originally Posted by kiwitt

I think the designers saw that the JHI were too powerful and limiting them to one province for production, gives a little more balance to the game. They probably didn't expect people to build multiple academies.

Oh, I think they know compulsive gamer behavior better than that . . . .

**Martok** · 05-04-2005, 08:19

Originally Posted by Etym

Oh, I think they know compulsive gamer behavior better than that . . . .

And if they didn't then; well, they certainly do now!

Although I myself haven't used that trick when playing as the Turks, it's certainly understandable. I don't play the Turks that often, but even I find it a tad frustrating that JHI can only be trained in one province. The fact that they're maybe a bit overpowered is more than balanced by the fact they don't become available until late in the game.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 05-06-2005, 03:19

I was more frustrated that I could only build normal Janissaries in one province, always Constantinople. If I had to choose between JHI and quickly trained Janissaries, JHI are always the way to go.

**ajaxfetish** · 05-06-2005, 23:42

I think the prerequisites to build Janissaries make it hard enough to get them anyways, especially with having to destroy/rebuild the grand mosque. It's many decades of construction before you can start pumping them out.

Anyway, if anyone's really concerned about getting too powerful with them you can always set up a personal limitation (either deciding not to build more than one military academy or to use the second only for JI or JA instead of more JHI).

Personally, though they are remarkably powerful, I don't find them so overpowered that I want to limit myself that way. Two or three build locations are hard enough to get anyways.

**Uesugi Kenshin** · 05-07-2005, 03:08

I really should install MTW on my new hard drive and try it with 2-3 military academies. One for JI, one for JHI and one for JA.

**Zarax** · 05-07-2005, 08:00

Well, since may Turkish units seems to need Grand Mosque, while Military Academy is needed just by the Jannys what about inverting the limits?
One Military Academy and multiple Grand Mosques...