Marius reforms?

[CrackedAxe]

Simple question, how do I trigger the Marius Reforms?

[sapi]

Either you or another roman ally has to build an imperial palace.

[CrackedAxe]

Thanks, sapi, but something else must be needed. I have huge cities already but no marius reforms.

[Productivity]

There is a time point that you have to hit as well, plus a random error component.

[CrackedAxe]

Well, at the moment I'm putting together huge armies of upgraded Preatorian Cohorts, if I don't get the reforms soon there really isn't going to be much point.

[Beefy]

You need an Imperial Palace in 1 city on the Italian Mainland
The date needs to be after 220bc
A random trigger must occur

My MR didnt occur until 192bc

[lars573]

You need an Imperial Palace in 1 city on the Italian Mainland
The date needs to be after 220bc
A random trigger must occur

My MR didnt occur until 192bc

No, that's wrong. You need a certain level of development on ALL The Roman factions starting cities in Italy. Plus it being 220 BC or later.

[Cheater]

I think that building an Imperial palace does trigger the event, but in real life, the MR didn't happen until 108 BC... so in order to be true to the timeline

[Craterus]

But you can't imagine a campaign going on that long so it can't really be true to history..

[The Stranger]

well tihs is how it is

1. the date is 220 BC or later
2. after that date build a imperial palace
3. if the building is done you get the marian reforms

cause i had imperial palace even before 220 and when i hit 220 nothing happened so i had to wait another 25 years before a new city hit the limit for the upgrade. damn i was pissed

[Craterus]

There is a random factor involved.

[Ziaelas]

Well, I performed a test. My campaign with the Julii disagrees with the talks. It was e/e, as I was concentrating on getting the reform.

1. It's 245 BC
2. I built an imperial palace in Carthage
3. No other Roman settlement is huge.

This, I am afraid, disagrees with all of you. I wonder if it is based on difficulty. I will investigate.

would be appreciated.

[Viking]

@Ziaelas

What version are you running??

With patch 1.2 shouldn`t it be possible to get the reforms before 220 BC.

[Ziaelas]

Ah, it hadn't got the patch........I'm off to download it...

[The Stranger]

There is a random factor involved.

no there isn't not at mine version of 1.2v as soon as i finished building
a imperial palace after 220 bc the trigger occured. and i mean exactly the same year and same season.

[lars573]

no there isn't not at mine version of 1.2v as soon as i finished building
a imperial palace after 220 bc the trigger occured. and i mean exactly the same year and same season.

That doesn't matter. Post 1.2 I've goten the reforms as soon as the clock rolled to 220 BC and sometimes I had to wait for 10 years (20 turns) after 220 BC. Like most of you I though that getting the reforms post 1.2 was a simple matter of me have Imperial pallace in Italy and in 220 BC boom reforms event. But it didn't work out like that. The game was Julii M/M, myself, the senate, and the Scipii Italian cities were all fully developed huge cities (I used spies to check things out). The Brutii however were lagging behind. A major war with the Macedonians had left them with drained cities, Croton and Tarentum were both just large cities. They were also flat broke. So I decided to experiment and see if the game tracked the development of the Italian cities and who owned them in the Marian trigger. So I bought Croton from the Brutii and built it up. I didn't have to build it up much as soon as I built the farm upgrade, BOOM reforms.

[Productivity]

no there isn't not at mine version of 1.2v as soon as i finished building
a imperial palace after 220 bc the trigger occured. and i mean exactly the same year and same season.

So you hit an error value of zero. It doesn't mean that it isn't there, you would need far more than a single occurence for that to be conclusive proof.