Whats left of STW's MP

[Drisos]

Hi fellow shogunistas,

Unthough I have always tried to be as nice and helpful as possible, I haven't done any really great things. I have a few idea's and want to start with one today. I got inspired by AdrianII's online history resources and thought things out. Because of the great silence around STW MP I want to do something about that. Shambles is already planning a tournament and Elmarko a MP campaign. My idea is to create a list of people who still play online and more stuff on STW MP. Here's a short version of the concept:

1. old clans

*the names of former STW clans and their websites

2. 'active' clans

*the clans who still have some STW-playing members
*their websites
*the nicknames of their STW playing members and their e-mail if they want to find challengers

3. where to play MP?

*tosa's server + info how to use it
*Same thing with Shambles his server
*links to for instance: the MP campaign and shambles his tournament

4. STW-playing members of the .org

*the members who still play STW
*their e-mail, if they want to find challengers

5. STW-playing members of the .com

*the members who still play STW
*their e-mail, if they want to find challlengers

6. (S)TW sites

*.org
*.com
*shambles his site
*maybe more?

7. Links to STW moddings

*STW mod for MTW
*link to the SJ forum

I don't know much about it myself, but with a little seeking, I'll find out most things I want to include.
I would like to post this thread at the .org at the .com and maybe Shambles or a few clans can put it on their sites too??(please, please)
If the plan continues, will you sticky it for me Sasaki??

for any reactions, just post in this thread or mail me at: *redacted*


drisos

[Drisos]

Since I haven't had STW for a long time, I don't know about any old clans, I really need a few diehards for some info.

Maybe I should add a list of players of the STW mod for MTW.

?

[Drisos]

Did some clan research:

Majestic Ryouko
Celtiberos
Deadly Shingen
Clan doragon(does still exist, I thought, do some of them still play STW??)
Aggony clan(does still exist, don't know if they have any STW players left)
L.M. de Napoleon
7Bear7 clan (does still exist, has three players who ocasionally play STW MP)

Clan takiyama? still exists? STW players?

Little later I found the EA clan ladder, 100 more clans, haven't looked at any of their sites, bit too much work for now, I didn't know there were hundreds of clans. Probably 90% of them will have fallen apart, but there must be members of those who still like to play, where are they? Is there any shogun server on which are dozens of Japanese players still active?

Many quetions unanswered, please guys, who can put the light on for me??

[Shambles]

you can easily switch between my server and tosas server with a program called
shambles total war,
you can download it from my downloads section on my web page
most people would use tosas server,

there are more shogun sites linked to at the main weby page of this forum.

About the rest of your questions i dunno

[Togakure]

Hey guys--I don't run a server. You must be referring to TOSA's server.

Good luck with reviving Shogun MP guys. I check here regularly so I'll know if it kicks up.

The last clans to have players in Shogun MP regularly were Aggony, 7Bear7, 47Ronin, and a couple from the Wolves. Occasionally we'd see a Mizu/Takiyama or Kenchi. It has been a VERY long time since any from other clans have played, except maybe for a solo appearance here or there.

[Drisos]

Hey guys--I don't run a server. You must be referring to TOSA's server.

Correct.
Toga, the clan name of 47 ronin reminds me of an old personal use title of yours. Have you been in that clan?

Thanks guys for the info.

[Drisos]

How about it Sasaki, when I finish this, would you be OK to sticky this one?

Maybe I should include a player list for the STW mod for MTW too?

[Togakure]

Correct.
Toga, the clan name of 47 ronin reminds me of an old personal use title of yours. Have you been in that clan?

Thanks guys for the info.

I and Mimesaka Akechi (now Sasaki Kojiro) founded the 47Ronin when "The Masterless" group faded. In both of these incarnations, we liked to think of ourselves as an "un-clan," but most considered us a clan. Forming the 47s was an attempt to revive the group we had at "The Home of the Masterless," a group of ronin hosted and led by Kaneyashi Kasuga (Kas). After a short period, Sasaki felt that the 47Ronin had become too clan-like and resumed his "masterless" status. I maintained the 47s, and for a short time we had a thriving group of talented and very likeable guys hanging out together. Our old forum still exists but is seldom visited now that the official server has shut down. I'm not going to post a link--the once-beautiful site is a disgrace with all of the ads on it. I am looking at clans in mtw/vi and may revive it if I find a clan that I like that needs a nice forum.

[Shambles]

Hey guys--I don't run a server. You must be referring to TOSA's server.

I said tosa :P

[Drisos]

Mimesaka Akechi (now Sasaki Kojiro)

He's active at the .com under the name Mimesaka Akechi, isn't he?

[Togakure]

you can easily switch between my server and togas server ...

... 3. where to play MP?

*toga's server + info how to use it

These are the quotes to which I was referring when I wanted to clarify that I don't run a server.

Yes Drisos, Sasaki used Mimesaka Akechi at the .com back when I was going there, but I haven't been there in a very long time, so I don't know if he is still active there or not.

[ShakaKahn]

Have any of you played with the players shown in the Top 100 Clans ladder?:
Clan Ladder
I'd like to see how a vet plays STW:WE.

[Togakure]

Yep, but I haven't seen any of them since the official server closed down (and very few, even back then).

The ladder isn't really representative of skill because so many players found ways to exploit it (and did). Hosting, defending, and dropping mid-game for instance ... credited win for the defender, etc.

If I were a gambler I'd drop $100 on a bet that Sasaki (the mod of this subforum) could beat 90-95% of the players out there in a best of 10. You want to play against one of the best? Play against him 1v1. He's won both of the most recent 1v1 tournaments, and teamed with Wolf Kansuke to win the most recent 2v2 tournament as well.

[Puzz3D]

I stopped playing because, despite helping to develop it, I don't like WE/MI v1.02, and it had become the standard version for those who continued to play. MizuCBR, ShingenMitch, ShingenKrypta and I made new unit stats for barocca's STWmod for MTW/VI. This mod is patterned after the gameplay of original STW rather than WE/MI, but the battlefield ninja and naginata cav from WE/MI are retained and the hatamoto is added. The gun units are stronger than they were in original STW, but not as strong as in WE/MI. The new stats took over 3 months to balance, and were tested by many good players and adjusted over 10 revisions based on their feedback. Further revisions are possible, but none are planned at this time. There is a complete set of units for SP (full campaign mode), and a separate set for MP. A program written by MizuTosa allows copying the music and sounds from STW or WE/MI to STWmod for MTW/VI.

This mod benefits from the experience gained over 3 years of playing STW, and the enhancements to the MTW/VI battle engine such as no battlefield upgrades along with a cost structure that makes playing without upgrades preferable. The players who developed the stat know the game engine inside out, and the gameplay is as balanced as we know how to make it. Those who played original STW all like the mod. Those who only played WE/MI may not like it since the gameplay is different.

I can put together a team to play STWmod and we were recently playing it in a CWC tournament, but interest in it died off when the RTW v1.2 patch which fixed many technical problems in MP was released. RTW MP gameplay is the least balanced of all the Total War games, but draws the most players. I hung around the MTW/VI forum for a few weeks after RTW v1.2 was released, but got no STWmod for MTW/VI games, and I wasn't particularly interested in regular MTW/VI games so I stopped going to the foyer. I just got Silent Hunter III and have been playing that. Clan Takiyama is still together, but the members are currently playing different games, and don't go to the MTW/VI foyer regularly.

[HunkinElvis]

The scoring system in the ladder makes a player with high points reluctant to play with another player with low points. The maximum difference of points allowed between 2 players are 50. Any more than that and the player with the higher points will lose points even when winning the battle. If someone with 100 or less points joins in a vet's competitive game then that host will ask the beginner to leave the game. That's why friendly games are preferred over competitive games. A friendly game is an option that doesn't have any effect on points.
There are vets who play cheap against other vets. That's how some vets get high points.
In real life, though, a good general fights cheap battles.

[Togakure]

Puzz3D: How big is the Samurai Wars installer download linked to in your sig? I seem to remember the mod being very large. My connection is so slow that I didn't think I'd be able to download it in a reasonable amount of time. I've discovered that, despite my slow PC and connection, I can play vi mp without significant lag (except 4v4s, which lag if all players move fast and engage en masse at the same time). Hence, the mod interests me now. I'm just not sure if I can download it successfully.

[Shambles]

hey toga i just downloaded it
39.1mb on 56k id imagine would take just under 4 hours.

If you want il make it a multi part and send you 1.44mb chunks at a time.
"if puzz3d dosent minnd that is"
Becous most dial up isp's will dissconect you after 2 hours,

I cant help wonder how much a low end 512kb dsl connection would cost you per month.
I dont imagine it would be much more than dial up.
And although 512 isnt ground breaking, it allowes downloads of around 60kb's on a good day,


EDIT

I will not send u the file toga Becous my AVG says it has a trojan horse Dropper attached to it,

ShambleS

[Drisos]

I'm not sure of the concept of this project, I'm thinking of making a site like EA had too, with clan ladder and so on. I've got to find out what's the best way to make communication between MP's easier. Anyway, I won't get to working much the first 6 weeks, because of school, after that I want to finish whatever I'm gonna do, but I would need tech. help in case I decide to start up an own site.

[Shambles]

i can help with basic html stuff.

[Drisos]

Shambles, maybe you can do your tournament(s) via the site?

When looking back, this seems wrong said: I just meant that I would add the results to the players on the list. Is that ok with you shambles?

I think having all those log files is an awful load of work which I might not be able to do at all times, so I think it would be better to just add your tourneys results, and maybe of other tourneys.

concept update coming soon ... see you guys in MP

P.S.:

Toga, is The Kenchi clan the same as the Kenkichuka clan? The names look like eachother and I can't find any Kenchi clan. Which member(s) would play ocasionaly? (and will often soon!)

[Puzz3D]

hey toga i just downloaded it
39.1mb on 56k id imagine would take just under 4 hours.

If you want il make it a multi part and send you 1.44mb chunks at a time.
"if puzz3d dosent minnd that is"
Becous most dial up isp's will dissconect you after 2 hours,

I cant help wonder how much a low end 512kb dsl connection would cost you per month.
I dont imagine it would be much more than dial up.
And although 512 isnt ground breaking, it allowes downloads of around 60kb's on a good day,


EDIT

I will not send u the file toga Becous my AVG says it has a trojan horse Dropper attached to it,

ShambleS

I haven't downloaded that STWmod installer myself. I used barocca's original 76 MB download. I'll look into getting that installer checked and replaced if necessary.

[Togakure]

... I will not send u the file toga Becous my AVG says it has a trojan horse Dropper attached to it,

ShambleS

Uh-oh ... be sure to let Puzz3D know about that. PM would prolly be best so he notices it right away.

Thanks for the offer m8, that would be quite helpful for me. Circumstances prevent me from indulging in any upgrades of PC or service for a while, so I've got to make do with what I've got for now.

EDIT: Puzz3D must have been replying as I typed this, so please disregard.

[CBR]

I made the Samurai Wars installer and did scans when I uploaded it and scanned it again just now and found nothing. I used Norton as well as two anti-trojans.


CBR

[Shambles]

EDIT.

Picture has been seen so no need to be Filling up page now,
If any 1 els wants to see it, Click the link,
"no point laging page"

http://freespace.virgin.net/shambles...ations/vir.JPG

I think its the installer and not the actual contents,
becous if it was the contents i would be allowed to finish the download,
But avg would tell me not to open it 1ce i tried,

so it's probably the installer its self,
it may be a good idea to advize people who have downloaded this file that There MAY be a potential problem.

trojans are tricky lil beggars and disguise them selfs as anything,
im unshure how this file was contaminated but I dont think any 1 did this on purpouse.

It could even be that the installer is similar to a trojan but avg has seen enough to mak its mind up,
hope this helps though

ShambleS

[CBR]

Well it might not like the installer somehow. Try and download this and see if AVG finds something there too (uses same installer) http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt...PackVol1-3.exe


CBR

[Shambles]

the map pack file is fine,
no problems at all


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Back on topic,

for the chat room you could use a java based 1 like i have on my web page,

i could make a basic password username setup, for web page entry,
But really you need to use php to get it done properly becous php can force you back to the Main page if you try to cheat web page,

the scoring is quite annoying as i had wanted to get ppl's scores updated to my page directly Again php with a server side script is Likley to be needed ,
But unfortunatly I just cant find any files that sent that kind of data to EA.

Youd probably need to get the people to send you their battle log files, so you would need 2 log files for each 1 v 1 battle "1 from each opponent"

I dont think you said any thing els that i can help with,
but maby i just forgot :)

ShambleS

[Thoros of Myr]

I had the warning too from AVG. I had barocca's version backed up from last time I ran the mod so I used that.

No troubles with the map pack.

[Jochi Khan]

Hi all....

My AVG (which does a complete scan every day at 12 Noon) today quarantined the following.............

Trojan Horse Downloader.Agent.12.BF Total size 110.6Kb
Samurai_War2fix[1].exe
Backup copy infected

Dont know where this came from. I use the original barocca mod with the stat updates so have had no reason to download the installer.

Jochi

[Puzz3D]

Ok. Thanks guys. I've taken the installer link out of my sig, and replaced it with a link to barocca's original STWmod zip file.

[Shambles]

sorry for all that puzz3d,
But i beleve it's for the best.

any way i will now download it and multipart it so toga can download it If nobody minds that is

Ok toga the origional was 70mb+ so i multiparted it in to 23 parts its an ace file.
so u will need win ace,
I will leave a copy of win ace in the server so u can download that as well Its better than win rar or win zip in my oppinion and opens more files any way.

Here is the url.

xxxLink Is gone nowxxx

Please let me know when your done downloading or if you decide against downloading.
Thank you