Is this racist?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 04-30-2005, 18:13

This thread was closed and I was warned because it was said to be a racist article. I challenge anyone to find this article racist. I can see how it can be missread that way but for the life of me I cant see it as racist.

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It simply asks that we recognize whats happening and write our politicians about it. No where does it blame any race for anything nor does it incite hatred or violence towards anyone. I feel our new mod is a bit over sensitive on this matter. This is the same PC crap that makes it ok to have black or gay pride but not to have white or straight pride. Theres not a racist bone in my body. Personally I prefer Japanese and oriental girls and see nothing wrong and yes I would even encourage inter racial marriages. The sooner we all become one race the better. Its our way of life and democracy I worry about. If you dont think that if the majority of Europeans become Muslims you will be living under very different laws I think you have a surprise in store for you. But thats something I hoped to get to in the thread but never had the chance to express it.

**Byzantine Prince** · 04-30-2005, 18:15

I agree with Gawain that our new mod is a little over the top in some respects, although I found your second thread racist, the first one was alright by me.

**Tribesman** · 04-30-2005, 18:43

Since it is written by a virulant racist holocaust denier who belongs to a racist political movement and writes for fascist newspapers and websites , then in my opinion I think it fair to call it racist .
No where does it blame any race for anything nor does it incite hatred or violence towards anyone.
Did you bother to read any of the website that you took the linked article from ? or did you assume it was just a campaign agaist "political correctness" ?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 04-30-2005, 18:50

Since it is written by a virulant racist holocaust denier who belongs to a racist political movement and writes for fascist newspapers and websites , then in my opinion I think it fair to call it racist .

It maybe fair to call him a racist. However there is nothing in that article that can be pointed out as racist. Also Am I being warned because I posted an article by a racist or because I am being accused of making racist remarks or promoting racisim? If its the former I guess there are a lot of people who may no longer quote based on the opinions of the mods. Take Hitler for example. I in no way put forth any racist ideas.

Did you bother to read any of the website that you took the linked article from ? or did you assume it was just a campaign agaist "political correctness" ?

No and I dont care to read it. I only posted the article for the stats and for opening remarks to start the debate. I have no interest in promoting racisim in any manner. I agree with his premise not his ideals.

**Meneldil** · 04-30-2005, 18:57

It is indeed not racist. Saying that white will be a minority in many countries/cities that are historically of white origins is not racist.
The guy might not always be seeing smart things, and he might be wrong on some (or many) points, I don't think he's being racist.
It's just the same 'politicaly correct' crap you can find almost everywhere.
In France, as soon as a black or arab people get insulted, it's called racism, though it is not always racism. When a white people get insulted and is called 'fucking french', 'fucking white' or something like that by a black or an arabian people, weirdly, people don't call that racism. Wonder why ?

**Tribesman** · 04-30-2005, 19:06

No and I dont care to read it.
Do you think it is wise to post links to things that you havn't even read ?

**Byzantine Prince** · 04-30-2005, 19:39

Originally Posted by Meneldil

It is indeed not racist. Saying that white will be a minority in many countries/cities that are historically of white origins is not racist.
The guy might not always be seeing smart things, and he might be wrong on some (or many) points, I don't think he's being racist.
It's just the same 'politicaly correct' crap you can find almost everywhere.
In France, as soon as a black or arab people get insulted, it's called racism, though it is not always racism. When a white people get insulted and is called 'fucking french', 'fucking white' or something like that by a black or an arabian people, weirdly, people don't call that racism. Wonder why ?

I actually kinda know why. I think it's the fact that most white people are raised by the school system to feel ashamed of their past and that black and jewsh people have always been treated really badly, so that preconception exists in every single undelying discussion for the rest of those people's lives. Every time a person in called whity or cracker it's no big deal because we somehow "deserve" it. It's never uttered in words but it's there weather people admit it or not. Call someone a "negro" and it's automatically an offence even though the word just means black in spanish and portoguese. I mean it's ridiculous. I bet you right now the mod is gonna come and raise my warn level just for using the n word. I bet you. Anyone else wanna bet?

**Adrian II** · 04-30-2005, 22:25

Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

I agree with Gawain that our new mod is a little over the top in some respects, although I found your second thread racist, the first one was alright by me.

First of all Gawain is not a racist. He has candid and refreshing views on all kinds of subjects and I have never known him other than as a fine .org member. He doesn't need to dissociate himself from racism. It would be helpful if he dissociated himself from the joke he tried to play on the European members by rubbing their noses in Mr Reinzi's less than palatable theories.

Second, I think that Ser Clegane is doing a fine job. Until now it's been Tadellöser & Wolff. We're actually having fun in the Backroom because he makes us all walk a much tighter rope. I am very happy about the way Ser Clegane put an end to the 'Americans/gays/Christians/Democrats/Republicans/Lefties suck' type of thread.

I remember reading some fine exchanges between Gawain and Ser Clegane in the past and hope to read them again. If possible, please resolve this issue by PM, gentlemen.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 04-30-2005, 23:39

Look I can accept the thread being closed although I think its an over reaction, but I still fail to see why Im being warned.

It implies that non-white people will, given the chance mistreat any whites they can lay hands on. It is racist hate speech.

Oh so now if a mod even perseves an implication of violating the rules he can close a thread an issue a warnng?

How does Kurds being gased by Iraqis imply that non-white people will, given the chance mistreat any whites they can lay hands on rr the genocide of Tibetans and Uighurs by the Chinese? Are the Tibtans now considered white people? Are either Kurds and Iraqis white people. If so please inform me which of the two is white? If they both are you have no point.

If possible, please resolve this issue by PM, gentlemen.

Believe me we had many a pm before we came to this.

I ask then that no one may quote Stalin, Hitler or any number of other known racist. Let my try this anaolgy. I see posts that support abortion as promoting murder and genocide. If I were a mod could I then close any thread or warn any member who supports it? I never made one racist remark and in fact started out trying to distance myself from the authors racist views and only used his premise that we are a dwindling race and the stats to show it. If we are to throw out all views that are given by a person who we consider evil and biased, the name Ward Churchill comes to mind here, we then reduce or ability to discuss these matters civily.

**hrvojej** · 05-01-2005, 00:51

Even if it's not blatantly racist, IMHO it incites racial intolerance to say at least. With a smack of suprematist attitude too in both closed threads. It doesn't exactly say "go out and create more offspring", now, does it?

edit: removed an unnecessary comment that distracts from my main point

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 05-01-2005, 02:22

It doesn't exactly say "go out and create more offspring", now, does it?

Yes it does. In fact thats the whole point. If your white that is. Its not saying to kill or hate other races. The facts are that in many European countries the birth rate cant maintain the indeginous population . Therefore the white population, doesnt indigenous sound so much better? is decreasing in number while others are migrating there and their poulation is growing both by immigration and a much higher birth rate. Thishas nothing to do with racism unless trying to preserve your race is now racist. It also seems to me that only white people can be accussed of this. You people are demonstrating reverse discrimination here. If I told you that the spotted owls were not maintaining their population youd say we have to do something about it. But white people? Forget about it. Another thing. Is there really anything wrong with trying to preserve ones ethinisity? I mean you shouldnt make laws against it but if diversity is good why are you liberals so all fired fast to try and make everyone the same? Like I said Liberals confuse me.