Is this racist?

**barocca** · 05-01-2005, 02:50

the caucasian race has been losing ground for over 12,000 years,

(china some 10,000 years BC was inhabitied by a caucasian race, they retreated to japan as the asian races expanded, then they retreated again to the northern islands of japan (where the russians and japanese share some territory) then, finally, they were assimilated)
Called the Ainu by the japanese
even today some Japanese from the northern islands have blue eyes.

The Caucasian Race is going to be extinct(assimilated) eventually,
and that simple fact has been predicted for almost a hundred years,
why worry?
Some of the best people i work with are mixed race and suffer some form of racism from both sides of their heirtage - which is blatantly unfair.
(the best dude to work with in the factory is half yugoslavian/half vietnamese)

while your concern may be a simple truth, the simple fact is we cannot change what is definately going to happen in the next thousand years,
SO, teach your kids NOT to be racist.
AND imagine when whites ARE a minority - our great-grandkids are going to be on the recieving end of all those laws that currently protect ethnic minorities in "caucasian" countries!

Due to lower fertility inherent in being causcasian the caucasian race will eventually be extinct,
just like blonde is a recessive gene and blondes will eventually be bred out of existence.
Nothing we do will change that.

ps - i am blonde and caucasian - i am going to be doubly extinct.

**Voigtkampf** · 05-01-2005, 08:56

Originally Posted by barocca

ps - i am blonde and caucasian - i am going to be doubly extinct.

A mighty fine blonde, if I may add.

**Morat** · 05-01-2005, 13:02

Sorry Gawain but this seems pretty straightforward to me. Ser Clegane closed your first thread, told everyone why in the thread and then PMed you to further explain. You then chose to post another thread which you must have known would be at least as inappropriate to Ser Clegane. I think a warning with no points was in fact quite lenient in those circumstances. If you disagreed with the original closing, you should have started this thread at that time rather than openly flouting Ser Clegane's authority with the second one.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 05-01-2005, 16:01

If it was just for the stats, why didn't you start the thread with the Guardian-article Ed Toner's "article" referred? Why do you think it was necessary to include Ed Toner's racist rant?

Because for one I didnt see it as racist and secondly I dont want to be accused of editing the artcle to give a false impression.

Especially after your first thread was closed I do not think it would have been asked to much to take a bit more care in selecting an appropriate article to start the discussion.

I still see nothing wrong with either article.

You had the chance to express your opinion on this issue - after all you started this thread, however, you chose to simply post the article.

My style of posting is to lead people in the direction I want the thread to go and make my points. I never had the chance to develope my arguments. You simply wrote the whole thing off as racist.

You then chose to post another thread which you must have known would be at least as inappropriate to Ser Clegane

Again I saw nothing racist in either article. I simply googled indigenous population of europe declining and those were the first two relevant articles with stats to appear. Call mr naive. I certainly had no intention of snubbing Ser Clegane . Ignoring the mods is far from my style. I made an honest if misguided attempt to find a different link.

If you disagreed with the original closing, you should have started this thread at that time rather than openly flouting Ser Clegane's authority with the second one.

Can you read. Did you not see that me and Ser Clegane exhanged PMs? We talked it over first and I also had the curtiosy to inform him that I would take it to the watch tower. A point I might add that the honorable Ser Clegane agreed to. So dont give me this crap about flouting Ser Clegane's authority .

I think a warning with no points was in fact quite lenient in those circumstances.

I thinkitsd not warrented at all for something that obviously was unintentional and can be argued has no basis in fact. There is no way what I posted can be seen as racism unless you try to make it that way.

If there is a discussion on the history of anti-semitism and somebody quotes Hitler to point out how anti-semitism was propagated in the Third Reich and/or to point out parallels to anti-semitic speeches that might be held today by other people, I would consider this to be in line with what is allowed on this forum.

Way back when I started a thread that the Jews were the cause of all evil. I started it with a speech by Goebbels. I didnt give him credit and chaged a word here or there to make it look like mine. To my astonishment many here agreed with what I wrote. The thread remained open for days until until it was realised that this thread was only started because another member had started a thread that said Christianity was the root of all evil and I mentioned that a certain mod didnt close it so I started that one. The mod in question took offense and then closed both threads. Talk about a a racist thread that was it and it wasnt closed. I guess Jews are still sub human and fair game as were Blacks in the other thread I started to protest at the same time in this case I took a speech of a white supremesist site. Neither thread was closed because of racist comments.

I closed Gawain's first thread because I felt the article he used to start the thread was racist and offensive and would rather lead to a discussion about the racist content of the article than to the discussion about the issue Gawain was trying to point out - the course the thread had taken until I closed is in line with this reasoning.

Again it was those on your side of the isle that drug racisim into the matter. It is they who should have recieved the warning not I. I challenged you all to show me one racist thing I or the article said, So far no one has been able to do so although Sat I believe gave it a nice try.

**A.Saturnus** · 05-01-2005, 16:32

Way back when I started a thread that the Jews were the cause of all evil. I started it with a speech by Goebbels. I didnt give him credit and chaged a word here or there to make it look like mine. To my astonishment many here agreed with what I wrote. The thread remained open for days until until it was realised that this thread was only started because another member had started a thread that said Christianity was the root of all evil and I mentioned that a certain mod didnt close it so I started that one. The mod in question took offense and then closed both threads. Talk about a a racist thread that was it and it wasnt closed. I guess Jews are still sub human and fair game as were Blacks in the other thread I started to protest at the same time in this case I took a speech of a white supremesist site. Neither thread was closed because of racist comments.

The thread you talk about wasn't closed, it was deleted. So were the others. You and the other involved person got a major warning. I want to ask you not to make statements about the assumed intentions of moderators.

**barocca** · 05-01-2005, 16:35

simple rules

1. the patron making a post is responsible for the content

2. if the patron quotes an article the patron is responsible for the content

3. if the patron posts a link the patron is responsible for the content of the site linked

THREAD #1

What do RACE DELETED care about Europe, other than to indulge their fervent desire to see it destroyed (after they have lived off the fat of the land)?

this is racist propoganda
THUS thread #1 was closed

THREAD #2
the link points to a site that promotes racial paranoia
further various articles on that site distinctly blame certain problems on specific races
THUS thread #2 was closed
(FURTHER the post was repetitive, why repeat the same thing twice over?)

Your goal in both threads seems to have been to promote racial paranoia and provoke responses that would have degenerated into racial arguments.

Closing the threads shut down potential trouble before it began,
Retrospective points warnings can still be issued for those posts,
all i have to do is say the word
B.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 05-01-2005, 17:00

The thread you talk about wasn't closed, it was deleted. So were the others. You and the other involved person got a major warning. I want to ask you not to make statements about the assumed intentions of moderators.

Ok Deleted. But it was there for days and the impression that I got was that I was being punished for challenging the descsion of a mod and not for making any racist statements. I was not told that this was why I was being warned . I believe that by the second or third post in each of these threads Jag screamed and rightfully so, for them to be closed.I told the mod in question I had intentionaly made these threads to show how he was wrong in not closing the christain thread.This was when I got in trouble. Its ironic that when I made an intentionaly racist thread it stayed open for days with people asking it be closed but when I make a thread that even hints of racism it gets closed .

This thread was not started or intended to be racist in anyway shape or form and you all know that. This is PC run amok. If you say black people should be proud of their race you all say right on if you say white people should be proud of their race you scream racist. No where do I claim that whites are inherently superior to any other race or to even infer such nonsense. Maybe next time I wont use an article but just post my own thoughts on the matter. Its just a habit I have I guess to use an article to get a thread rolling.

What do RACE DELETED care about Europe, other than to indulge their fervent desire to see it destroyed (after they have lived off the fat of the land)?

Finally someone has come up wuth a decent arguement. Im sorry I didnt see that. That is totally unacceptable . You have my apologies.

But other than that I think we are a litle more adult here than to take offense and discuss the true intent of the thread without closing it. A simple word or warning in the thread itself saying I dont want to see any racist comments here if this thread turns into race bashing it will be closed would have sufficed.

Closing the threads shut down potential trouble before it began,
Retrospective points warnings can still be issued for those posts,
all i have to do is say the word

Of course these are your boards and you make the rules. I accept that and in fact think you and all the mods do a great job. In this case however I think Ser was a bit too quick on the trigger. Its only my opinion of course that counts for nothing in this matter but at least I thank you for the watchtower and the ability to add my two cents for whatever its worth. Its sort of like brining your case before the people. Of course you though are the final judge in these matters and i bow to your authority.

**Tribesman** · 05-01-2005, 22:24

In this case however I think Ser was a bit too quick on the trigger.
Mea Culpa Gawain , I reported your link to the mods of the Tavern as soon as I linked to it . I am familiar with the author of the article , which is why I was so surprised that you linked to his website given your usual pro-Israeli stance . The man is a gobshite racist whose prejudices encompass anyone who isn't a "white christian" .
I find it astounding , considering your habit of blaming Liberal /leftist propoganda that you didn't even read the page (let alone the website) that you linked to , it was pure fascist propoganda , well maybe apart from the nice twist when it said Tony Blair was the real Nazi

You said that you wanted to show his statistics that proved the white race is under threat (well it has been diminishing ever since there was a concept of white race) I offered to show statistical evidence that the real threat concerning world domination was in reality Elvis impersonators , statistics will bear this out as a "fact" , actually statistics will show that Elvis impersonators will exceed the planets projected population , so that means that they are not only taking over the world , they are taking over the entire universe

bTW I did say that I thought crap like the website that you linked to should be freely available , but possibly a games forum isn't the appropriate location .

**hrvojej** · 05-01-2005, 23:38

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Finally someone has come up wuth a decent arguement. Im sorry I didnt see that.

Please check post No. 3 in the first closed thread. Either you don't read the threads you start, or you ignore only my posts (both of which is fine by me

), but I guess that it could explain to you a bit better some of the reactions after you continued to act as if you didn't know what the others and myself were talking about.