Is this racist?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

If it was just for the stats, why didn't you start the thread with the Guardian-article Ed Toner's "article" referred? Why do you think it was necessary to include Ed Toner's racist rant?

Because for one I didnt see it as racist and secondly I dont want to be accused of editing the artcle to give a false impression.

Especially after your first thread was closed I do not think it would have been asked to much to take a bit more care in selecting an appropriate article to start the discussion.

I still see nothing wrong with either article.

You had the chance to express your opinion on this issue - after all you started this thread, however, you chose to simply post the article.

My style of posting is to lead people in the direction I want the thread to go and make my points. I never had the chance to develope my arguments. You simply wrote the whole thing off as racist.

You then chose to post another thread which you must have known would be at least as inappropriate to Ser Clegane

Again I saw nothing racist in either article. I simply googled indigenous population of europe declining and those were the first two relevant articles with stats to appear. Call mr naive. I certainly had no intention of snubbing Ser Clegane . Ignoring the mods is far from my style. I made an honest if misguided attempt to find a different link.

If you disagreed with the original closing, you should have started this thread at that time rather than openly flouting Ser Clegane's authority with the second one.

Can you read. Did you not see that me and Ser Clegane exhanged PMs? We talked it over first and I also had the curtiosy to inform him that I would take it to the watch tower. A point I might add that the honorable Ser Clegane agreed to. So dont give me this crap about flouting Ser Clegane's authority .

I think a warning with no points was in fact quite lenient in those circumstances.

I thinkitsd not warrented at all for something that obviously was unintentional and can be argued has no basis in fact. There is no way what I posted can be seen as racism unless you try to make it that way.

If there is a discussion on the history of anti-semitism and somebody quotes Hitler to point out how anti-semitism was propagated in the Third Reich and/or to point out parallels to anti-semitic speeches that might be held today by other people, I would consider this to be in line with what is allowed on this forum.

Way back when I started a thread that the Jews were the cause of all evil. I started it with a speech by Goebbels. I didnt give him credit and chaged a word here or there to make it look like mine. To my astonishment many here agreed with what I wrote. The thread remained open for days until until it was realised that this thread was only started because another member had started a thread that said Christianity was the root of all evil and I mentioned that a certain mod didnt close it so I started that one. The mod in question took offense and then closed both threads. Talk about a a racist thread that was it and it wasnt closed. I guess Jews are still sub human and fair game as were Blacks in the other thread I started to protest at the same time in this case I took a speech of a white supremesist site. Neither thread was closed because of racist comments.

I closed Gawain's first thread because I felt the article he used to start the thread was racist and offensive and would rather lead to a discussion about the racist content of the article than to the discussion about the issue Gawain was trying to point out - the course the thread had taken until I closed is in line with this reasoning.

Again it was those on your side of the isle that drug racisim into the matter. It is they who should have recieved the warning not I. I challenged you all to show me one racist thing I or the article said, So far no one has been able to do so although Sat I believe gave it a nice try.