Unit Concept/ Research

[kreig]

This section of the forum is where we will discuss units to include in the mod. These units will then be listed against there factions. This section we will need to research in depth.

I suggest that we look at this in two individual section
1- Middle age units (comon units across faction_
ie knights, crossbow men, peasants etc.,

2- Unique units
ie Scottish Schiltrons , English Longbow etc.,

[The_Ferret]

here i give you...

[kreig]

wow, pretty good

[King Ragnar]

ive already been looking today, how do i get picyures on my posts?

[Duke Malcolm]

Schiltrons - Scottish Pike men, they should be able to go into a hedgehog-like circle, with all their pike pointing out.

[kreig]

to get pics on your posts you need to host them
use something like www.imageshack.us
then in the post type
[img][/img] with the url inbetween

[ShadesWolf]

Based on the fact that all armies will be made up of a number of unique factions units and common units, how many units should we allow do you all think ?

[Duke Malcolm]

well, lets say each faction gets around 15 units in total, maybe a bitty more. I wuld say that each faction should get at least a quarter or so of them to be unique units. Some should have more, perhaps many more.

[Sauron the Great]

I think that we should try and avoid having any general units apart for the Men-at-Arms class. I think this element kind of ruined M:TW, as you could be fighting an almost identical army apart from maybe one unique unit. Armies were general very different, especially in the late medieval period. Even the lowliest of foot soldiers armed themselves differently (the French foot soldiers armed themselves with glaive like pole arms while the English preferred Bills and the Burgundians liked their pikes). I understand that wars were fought primarily by the men-at-arms class who were similarly armed (English, French and Burgundian anyway). But most auxiliary soldiers were unique to their country. Even the thin geographical divide between England and Scotland created huge differences in military culture , and it was the same between France and Burgundy.

Here are a few suggestions for artillery. At the suggested start point of this mod, gunpowder artillery was becoming well and truly established as the standard form of artillery (by about 1330 anyway). Both the French and the English adopted gunpowder artillery very quickly into their arsenals. Here is a suggested artillery list for the main factions:

England
- Bombards (heavy cannon for siege work
- Demi Culverins (light cannon for field work, too weak for sieges)

Burgundy
- Bombards
- Demi Culverins
- Serpantines (extremely light cannon for field work, anti-personnel)

France
- Bombards
- Demi Culverins
- Serpantines
- Culverins (well balanced cannon ideal for both seige and field work)

It is important that the French get an advantage in artillery, especially latter in the game. This was one of the reasons why the French eventually won the HYW. They began to use artillery as efficiently (thanks to lawyer from Paris) as the English had used the longbow.

Also, I am not sure about Scotlands uses and preferences towards artillery, so I left them out for someone more learned to fill in .

These are just some suggestions what does everybody think?

[kreig]

t"his was one of the reasons why the French eventually won the HYW"
did they actually win, i didnt think anyone won at the end, the brits got pushed out of most of france, so i supose maybe they won
but the brits still have the channel islands something the french never got back

[Sauron the Great]

Getting the English out of France (apart from Calais and the Channel islands) is general speaking considered a French conclusion to the war, as English territorial claims were the instigating factor of the war. Also the French conquest of Aquitaine, which had been English territory for about three centuries was a significant gain for the French and a crushing final blow to the English's French ambitions.